Alex Kurtagic: I and other contributors to The Occidental Observer have received the following email from one Joel Stern, who currently holds a position as translator at the U.S. Department of State:
Ladies and Gentlemen:
I’m an American Jew whose aunt and cousins in Czechoslovakia and Hungary were exterminated in WW II (presumably in Auschwitiz, although I have no actual confirmation of their fate).
For the past several months I’ve been reading the articles in TQO and TOO. The common thread between them is the genetically and culturally alien nature of and countless misfortunes inflicted by Jews in their host countries.
Leaving aside the validity or flimsiness of your arguments, what do you personally envisage as the solution to the “Judenfrage”? Mass expulsion from the West? Segregation in ghettos? A quota system in education and other drastic steps to protect the vulnerable gentile population? Conversion to Christianity and eventual assimilation through intermarriage? Massacres by Einsatzgruppen? (I have no doubt that enough volunteers for this task could be found among sundry Christian Identity and National Alliance types.) Nuclear annihilation of Israel?
I have yet to see even one serious, comprehensive proposal put forward by the TQO and TOO writers with respect to this matter.
I think Mr. Stern oversimplifies when he alleges that the common thread uniting contributors’ articles is Jews: I, for example, write about the White condition and have only occasionally made passing mention of Jewish intellectual movements. (This is not to say I may not choose to write about Jews in future; but, for now, I am interested in Whiteness.) Mr. Stern’s allegation betrays, perhaps, a certain narcissism: he has obviously been looking only for references to his brethren, and been blind to everything else. Having said this, I would like to invite Mr. Stern to join the debate by contributing with his own proposed solution(s). For myself I will read it with great interest.
Meanwhile, and in view of the comments you have made with regard to a past German government, will you take this opportunity to forcefully and inequivocally condemn Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians, and actively lobby for a halt to their unjust persecution and harassment by the Israeli government? Will you express your righteous anger at, and abhorrence of, Palestinian inequality before the law in the Jewish state, and demand equal rights to all peoples within Israel’s jurisdiction, irrespective or race, ancestry, and nationality? Will you publicly deplore the civilian deaths and the destruction of Palestinian property by the Israeli government, and clamour for a public apology and restitution? We would find your moral outrage a reassuring first step.
I am not claiming that TOO is a mouthpiece of neo-nazism, a clone of Stormfront. What I am saying is that some of the crude stereotypes expressed in some columns of the columns I’[ve read over the past few months are reminiscent of the language of the notorious gutter press in earlier times, which painted Jews with a blanket description as parasitic “fraudsters” and with other contemely that I need not repeat here–you can find them in the various postings by “Big Ed” and other bloggers above.
Well, since your letter was addressed to TOO-writers, I presume you were referring to TOO articles (not blogs or anonymous comments). In that case, I’d like to ask which articles you had in mind.
Mr. Stern:
“Do not ignore the fact, however, that German Christians deliberately starved to death several million Soviet soldiers, killed about three million gentile Poles among the clergy and intelligentisia), kidnapped children throughout Europe as part of their plan to breed a master race, and drove countless hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and Slavs to death in slave labor installations. ”
Do you not think that German atrocities have received lots of attention, especially when compared with communist atrocities? Have the Germans not tried to make sincere amends for their past crimes? How about Jews?
“This comment is not meant to exculpate my co-religionists, only to point out that cruelty and deceit are not confined to Jews.”
I think just about everybody in the public sphere walks on eggshells when it comes to making accusations against Jews. So, exactly who is it who thinks that only Jews are bad? Do you not think the above is a straw man argument?
” As for my “Nazi fantiasies,” just ask the relatives of the three million slaughtered gentitle Ploles, the twenty million Russians, the hundreds of thousands of butchered Roma, the massacred victims of Lidice, and countless other vicitms of Hitler’s savages whether it is who am fantasziing, or whether you are projecting your own disturbed paranoid psyche onto the reified object of your irrational hatred?”
Why did this take place though? Didn’t Hitler and Stalin have a pact?
As a Historical Revisionist it is clear that the Judeo-Bolshevik led Soviet Union broke that pact and was prepared to take control of all of Western Europe. Hitler was entirely justified in launching a pre-emptive strike to prevent this (same as USA launching a pre-emptive strike on Iraq, right?) Check out ‘Icebreaker’ as a source for this. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icebreaker_(Suvorov) )
I think what Mr. Stern doesn’t realize is that the “normal” Jews, everyday people (I work with some) almost always blindly support whatever the “Jewish Leadership” tells them to support, and they seem to believe whatever anti-white, anti-Western stories the top tier controllers spew – such as whites are all secretly plotting an anti-Jew holocaust. The aim of the big dogs is to have the little folks there, as support, financial and otherwise. And it works. In no small part because of the benefits that come with being Jewish, never mind inculcating the “we must stick together against the white goyim” mentality, and rewarding it. And make no mistake about it, there are a lot of benefits in America and much of the West today if one is Jewish, as noted by other posters here. So while the normal, average Jews are of course not out hatching plots against whites and the West, most of them are supporting, in one way or another, those that are engaging in skullduggery against the White Race. Whether the support is out of ignorance, fear or for personal gain, it doesn’t matter. The support is there and it’s literally monolithic.
I’ve noticed that Mr. Stern repeatedly misquotes or mischaracterizes many of the statements and opinions in this thread. I had to hunt down the remark made by one poster about “Shabes Goy” (sp?) and what the man wrote was not at all the way Mr. Stern tries to make it seem. The poster merely commented on Jewish people gaining jobs through nepotism while in some cases not having the or skill or background to warrant the position they’ve been given. I’ve seen that happen (and not only with Jews, LOL). But the fact is that Jews are known for promoting their own, hiring their own, first, foremost, and above everyone else. If you mention this fact, even when it’s happening left and right, in front of you, you’re suddenly a Nazi whowantstokillsixmillionJews. The remarks about some of the posters he disagrees with being Nazis or supporting Nazism don’t ring true. Several posters appear to simply be tired of the worn out charges of Nazism or the by now obviously exaggerated or outright made-up stories regarding the Nazis. It probably wouldn’t be so bad if the truth about the Jewish controlled and mostly Jewish staffed NKVD were given such attention, or the real stories of the Jewish run and controlled Gulags received the attention that they should. But I guess that would be anti-Semitic. Ho-hum. Mr. Stern’s staggering application of gross stereotypes when disagreeing with posters is unfortunately too typical of what goes on all over the net, although nowhere near as abusive as what happens in the MSM. ; )
What most people don’t realize is that whites are being pushed into a corner. Whites take a while to get angry, to act, to revolt as a group. But when they finally erupt in group anger, and it’s coming, the results are fast, stunning, and oblique. Whites are being told they are responsible for all the ills of mankind, accused of it in the public arena, by Jews, who use every anti-white canard in the proverbial book in order to inflame all other peoples, other races, against whites. To think that this pressure won’t eventually result in desperate, angry whites coming out of the corner swinging, with their main target being the people behind most of this never-ending blood libel, is to be blind and supremely arrogant. Jews are not responsible for all of our problems, but their behavior right now, coupled with their arrogance, and inability to refrain from gloating and mocking, makes them one of the groups who will be front and center when it comes time to pin the tails on the donkeys. More and more ordinary whites are starting to remark on the fact that they see Jews and rich, philo-semitic whites (of course most don’t use or even know the term) as being the forces behind their displacement, as being the people enabling the non-white onslaught against whites in the US and throughout the Western world. Like many others posting here, I’ve noticed increasingly more whites I encounter commenting on how they’ve realized that their perception of things, their picture of reality, has been skewed, purposely distorted. And many of them have been able to wipe the fog off their glasses and see who has been peddling the b.s. by the bucketload. Whites will have to save themselves, and they will, but there will be some great loss. I suspect that the Jews at the top will run for it and probably won’t care if any “regular Jews”, the little folk, get hurt or not. If some are hurt when things are shaken out and put in order, the jackass Zionists will merely use it as propaganda to try and rally the troops as they go for a new area or region to exploit.
I fail to see how a “staggering” application of gross stereotypes occurs when I apply the appellation of “Nazi” to “Heinous Heath” who openly admits that Himmler was his “favorite National Socialist.” It is logical to assume that Heinous approves of the genocidal policies fostered by Himmler and his ilk. I notice that all of you rushed to his defense without a demur.
It is interesting to see all the crude stereotypes surfacing when I raised the question of the place of Jews in Western cultures. To cite one clinical example, the reply by “Big Ed” in the last blog posing, wherein he claims that Zionists are seeking a new area or region to exploit.
May I ask what the Belgians were doing in the Congo, the Germans in Angola and German East Africa, the Italins in Libya and Ethiopia, the Dutch in Indonesia, the Spanish in South and Central America, and the British in areas too numerous to mention? Were your Aryan kin colonizing those areas for altruistic purposes, to spread the blessings of Western civilization to the unwashed heathens, without nary a profit motive in their noble minds?
I could easily counter the various pseudo-arguments advanced by the posters on this blog, but what good what it serve? In the impervious mental universe of clinical paranoids, no rational argument can possibly penetrate.
Your letter, Mr. Stern, was addressed to TOO-writers. You referred to TOO articles (not blogs or anonymous comments). I’d like to know which articles you had in mind.
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This guy “Stern” is typical. Answers questions with a question. Hasbara Playbook all the way. The tactics are stale and don’t work anymore.
Well Joe, one thing is for sure, most of the areas colonized by those horrible white Europeans were improved. Most every area of the world colonized by Jewish people has fallen apart, including the once wonderful U.S.A.. This deterioration of cultures, civilizations, countries is the reason for the repeated expulsions throughout history. I think that while Jews are talented in many areas, they are incapable of actually running a successful, self-sustaining country or civilization due to ingrained cultural peculiarities and/or innate cognitive make-up. Being smart does not mean you are smart at everything. Israel, even without hostile neighbors, would fall apart without the dollars confiscated from US taxpayers and shipped to the Middle East by the trunkload.
” It is logical to assume that Heinous approves of the genocidal policies fostered by Himmler and his ilk. ”
What genocidal policies? I am a Historical Revisionist who disbelieves in the alleged ‘holocaust’.
No ‘holocaust’, no genocidal policies.
This shouldn’t be ‘beyond the pale’ since Professor MacDonald himself once served as a witness for the great David Irving ( http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/Irving.htm ) who is doing great research into Historical Revisionism and attempting to understand exactly what occurred during World War 2.
Indeed it is the very suppression of this type of research and its attendant Freedom of Speech issues by Zionist Oppressors by targeting David Irving, Ernst Zundel, and the Heretical Two who have motivated me to become interested in these issues in the first place!
P.S. I am of a German/ Norwegian background and it should be pointed out that all German Colonies were taken away after the Versailles Treaty before any other European Nations ‘de-colonized’ and Norway has always been a powerless ‘back-water’ so why should I feel any so called ‘White Guilt’?!?!?!
That was a good post Big E. Mr. Stern really couldn’t challenge any of it or answer your points so he tried to change the subject. The OO site and the many insightful posts here have opened my eyes a great deal. Thank you.
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To the posters who referred to some “Hasbara technique” used by Jews. I believe that asking questions ito elicit and correct misconceptions is part of the venerable Socratic tradition, which goes back to the pre-Christian Greek civiilization that I assume you admire (if not fully understand because of your own cognitive deficits). I could easily answer your unfounded assertions (particularly those of “Heinous,” who lives in a mental universe of his own), but again, what’s the point? As I mentioned before, nothing will make a dent in the armor of paranoid ideation, which is impervious to all evidence that does not fit its preconceived irrational notions.
Nonetheless, the exchange has been productive for me in that it gives me an insight into your “thinking” (such as it is). I deliberately exclude from this characterization TOO writers Tom Sunic and Jonathan Pyle, who have first-rate minds and with whom I have had some stimulating exchanges of opinion.
This will be my last posting, since I believe that prolongation of this distasteful discourse would not contribute anything substantively new to resolving the initial question I raised. I have come to the clear realizaton that the common consensus among you is that Jews are an alien, unassimilable presence within your culture and that some degree of separation (partial or total) is vitally important for your preservation as a “Volk.” I recall one poster in particular who advocates removing all Jews from all sectors sector of public and private life (government, science, medicine, the arts, professions, what have you) and confining them far away from every other race in a kind of bantustan, where they would be closely monitored by some kind of international body.
If this final solution to the “Judenfrage” appeals to you, I would like to pose a number of Socratic questions to those of you who have not yet crossed the threshold of clinical insanity and are still capable of forming a coherent, rational thought:
1. Where would this Jewish “bantustan” be located? Surely not in Palestine, which is relatively small and where the ethnic strife is already intense. Would you consider Birobidzhan, the desert wastes of Western Australia, Greenland, Kamchatka, the Chukchi Peninsula, Patagonia?
2. Would only full Jews be confined there? What about “mischlings” of various origin? What would be the fate of non-Jewish spouses? Would Jews who have converted to Christianity be included as well?
3. What criteria would you propose for establishing “Jewishness?” Are the Nuremberg Laws (supplemented with up-to-date genetic testing, of course) be a reliable guide for this determination? Would you exclude from this testing such people as Gwyneth Paltrow and Scarlet Johannson, who have an impeccably Nordic phenotype but are “Halbjuden?”
4. Would this genetic testing be administered on a universal scale, or only in certain regions where Jews have lived historically? As I mentioned in a previous posting, there are many Spaniards, Italians, Balkan peoples, and others in southern Europe and SW Asia who have Jewish ancestry.
5. Would you yourselves submit to such DNA testing to determine whether you are pure-bred Aryans? What would you do if you in fact did find that you, your wives, girlfriends, other loved ones carry Jewish genes? Would you all voluntarily go join your ethnic kinsmen in their new homeland?
6. What would be the fate of Jews who refused to obey this “Neuordnung?” Imprisonment, execution, sterilzatilon?
7. What would be the fate of gentiles who shelter or otherwise assist their Jewish neighbors? The same punishment exacted in question 6? And what would happen if an entire country (e.g. Denmark and Finland in World War II) refused to hand over its Jewish populatilon–would they too be deported en masse to share the fate of Jews in the new reservation?
8. Since the idea is to remove Jews from all areas of intellectual and scientific endeavor, I logically assume that all contributions made by Jewish scientists and physicians would be verboten as well (I have in mind the polio vaccine developed by the Jew Jonas Salk, or the atomic bomb in which Edward Teller, Neils Bohr, Enrico Fermi, Albert Einstein, and Robert Oppenheimer–who I am sure you know were all Jews). How could you possibly want to retain anything that smacks of Jewish participation or even creation? Don’t you want to have a purely Aryan science, mathematics, and technology in additilon to your “urrarierisch” art, music, and cinema?
9. Lastly, I’m curious as to who would actually administer the testing and round up the Jews for deportation (or imprisonment or executilon, as the case may be if they fail to comply with your orders). Would you yourself be willing to take part in these round-ups and kill any recalcitrant Jews, including women, children, and those goyim stupid enough to shelter them?
These are not idle fantasies of a paranoid Jew, but flow with inexorable logic from the premises held by one of the bloggers on your website. Since not a single one of you questioned the valdity or desirabllity of thsoe premises, I logically deduce that you either endorse them uncritcially or do not object to them.
I look forward to your reply, if you are intellectually capable of formulating one.
“1. Where would this Jewish “bantustan” be located? ”
Madagascar has been mentioned in Right Wing circles as a suitable habitat since World War 2. It is also easily blockaded by naval forces.
Lady Renouf has also mentioned enlarging the Jewish Autonomus Oblast known as Birobizhan ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birobidzhan ).
There are plenty of options out there.
“Are the Nuremberg Laws (supplemented with up-to-date genetic testing, of course) be a reliable guide for this determination? ”
Yes.
“ould you exclude from this testing such people as Gwyneth Paltrow and Scarlet Johannson, who have an impeccably Nordic phenotype but are “Halbjuden?””
Sadly I think they are going to have to go. One needs only to closely examine Professors Macdonalds works to see that Crypto-Jews are usually the most dangerous.
” 5. Would you yourselves submit to such DNA testing to determine whether you are pure-bred Aryans?”
Sure. I am half-German/ half-Norwegian stock and will assuredly meet any requirements. Heck when I was younger my hair wasn’t just blond, it was platnium blond!
It is only those who are truly frightened of a ‘tainted’ heritage that fear this sort of thing. Really it is rather ridicoulous, the World is a large place and there is in fact room for everyone, even Jews but some thoughtful measures must be taken with them due to their Group Evolutionary Stategy.
@Mr. Stern: Do you have a reliable source confirming that Enrico Fermi was Jewish? To my knowledge, his wife was Jewish. Fermi himself was Italian.
Thank you so much, Heinous One, for your proposals, which no doubt are the fruit of many hours of intense lucubration and profound study of this burning issue for you. . I’m glad you do concede there is room in the world “even for Jews”; I was really beginning to worry about that possibility.
But I am definitely concerned about this Madagascar option; an erudite fellow like you surely knows that that island is already fully inhabited and environmentally devastated, plus the autochthonous population may not want to welcome tens (if not hundreds) of millions of hapless wrteches who are discovered through worldwide DNA testing to possess a “tainted” heritage, as you so quaintly put it. After all, the Malagasy people, like the Palestinians, have the right to preserve their genetic identity free of potential Jewish contamination (Remember; the premise here is to isolate Jews from EVERY other race and ethny lest the pestilence spread). Also, Madagascar is exceedingly remote and the logistics involved in transporting such hordes to their new homeland would be daunting indeed. Why should gentile nations be saddled with such a colossal task, after all they’ve suffered at Jewish hands over these many centuries? Therefore, I would tend to rule out that option, as attractive as it would seem prima facie to the uninformed.
I look forward to other proposals from the inventive minds of your fellow bloggers who are not burdened with Jewish “cognitive deficits” (to quote one of the posters above).. Be straightforward in true Aryan style, without semitic sophistries and maudlin sentimantality. After all, as Der Fuehrer said: “Nature is cruel; why shouldn’t I be?” and “Conscience is a Jewish blemish, like circumcision.” Don’t hesitate to draw the logical conclusions from your cherished beliefs! The existence of your race is at stake!
To Geiseric:
You are right and I stand corrected. I was under the impression that Fermi, like Neils Bohr, was a “Halbjude.” However, under the premises established by the blogger who desires to isolate anyone of Jewish ancestry from all contact with the rest of humanity, his wife would certainly end up in the bantustan and Fermi would have the choice of abandoning or joining her. I don’t know if the Fermis had children, but no dobut they would also be consigned to the bantustan with their “tainted” mother.
But here other questions arise: Julius Streicher claimed that anyone who ever had sexual contact with a Jew is irrevocably “verderbt” and had no place with his Aryan kinsmen. If you extrapolate from this criterion, I suppose Fermi also betrayed his heritage and ought to join the exodus.
Second, I have read in various sources (please correct me if I’m wrong) that Feldmarschal Edward Milch was of Jewish origin, Reynhard Heydrich had a Jewish grandfather named Suess, and that at least one hundred and fifty thousand “mischlings” fought in the Wehrmacht during WW II, many of whom received high awards (including Prime Minister Helmut Schmidt, who carefully concealed his descent). So, Heinous One, would you have subjected all those loyal stalwarts of the Reich to the same treatment as you propose for Scarlett Johannsen and Gwyneth Paltrow? Remember, be consistent, with the rectitude inherent in your German/Norwegian genotype!
Thanks, Mr. Stern. I’m not sure about the names and numbers you mentioned in your last post, but there were surprisingly many crypto-Jews in the German forces during WWII (general Manstein, for instance).
Tom Sunic – one of your “first-rate minds”, and probably candidates for “righteous among the nations” – can probably add a few names to your list.
To Geiseric:
Through Internet research I found an article regardng the “mischlinge” that may interest you; it came out on Dec. 3, 1996, in the “Independent UK” and is titled “Today’s Scoop,” by Steve Boggam. According to this article, Hitler himself allowed 77 officers with Jewish ancestry or with Jewish wives to serve in the German armed forces. Herman Goering allegedly forged the ID papers of his deputy Luftwaffe commander Edward Milch to establish his Aryan bona fides
As for von Mannstein, I’ve heard stories about his ancestry but do not know of any credible sources to ascertain the truth. The same applies to Heydrich.
The exact number of these cases may never been known.
I didn’t see anyone state “cognitive deficits” in a post. But Mr. Stern puts posts together with misquotes and lies yet tries to make it look as if he’s quoting someone he doesn’t agree with. All groups have their strong points mentally, well, most of them. And all groups have their weak points. The Jews do seem to have a proclivity for running governments and countries into the ground when they are in control or at least in control of certain arms of governments. This has happened so many times that the only way to argue against it is to lie or rationalize to the extreme. On the other hand, sometimes Jews are accused of ridiculous things that are as fantastical as the myths created about the Nazis.
In terms of cognitive differences there is obviously something different in Jewish thinking when it comes to running the governments of other people because those countries do seem to collapse inward. Whether all of it is intentional I do not know. Some attribute it to a form of rape and pillage with briefcases, laptops, bribing and extortion. Maybe. That’s what going on in the US and UK right now.
The Hasbara Playbook is elementary in thinking, but it does not actually harken back to any Socratic Method of seeking knowledge or the truth. Going for the truth is not the same thing as distorting facts to hide the truth. Simple as that. No need for mealy-mouthed false definitions. The Jews are embarrassed that the Hasbara Playbook became public and so many “gentiles” downloaded it to have a look. It’s no great shakes, just simple tactics that most honest people wouldn’t use or even think about. But it’s good to make them aware of what’s happening.
The remarks posted that state to the effect that TOO readers, writers, posters wish to exterminate Jews are of course ridiculous, but those statements are posted here not so much to antagonize the TOO faithful as they are posted in the hopes of having an effect on first timers or the casual drop in who may be getting their first taste of unfiltered opinion and fact. It’s all about making an impression for some, rather than the truth. Sometimes I am of the mind that pro-white and pro-West sites would be better off getting rid of the posts from those who hate whites and Western Culture because the haters have their say 24/7 in the MSM, and there’s no equal time rule in place. The forums and blogs might be better off in keeping discussion strictly among those concerned for our people and what to do, rather than being sidetracked by arguments created by those seeking to keep everyone off topic or to mischaracterize our views.
I have to agree with those who have stated that the Zionists accuse whites, Christians, Europeans of doing what the Zionists have actually done and are doing. It’s a game they can play as long as they have powerful media control and I suppose monetary control. That’s what keeps the sissies in DC in line for now. The Jews like to fling the charge of genocide around but they are the ones actively involved in genocide with their slow motion crushing of the Palestinians and their immigration policies that flood the West with non-whites.
Down the line there will be a total collapse of the systems in charge of the US and a lot of the West. Out of that will come some type of racial separation. In the long run this will be better for everyone. The Jews will probably be forced to deal with whites who will not take anything they say at face value nor will they let Jews dictate Western financial systems or economic policy. Many people do laugh when collapse is mentioned, but the short-sighted Jewish people running the media do have an extreme tendency to mock and gloat as someone posted earlier. The fact that they openly brag and boast of whites in the US being a minority soon is actually good for whites. I can attest to more whites asking what happened and who did this. This is an opening for me to explain the Jewish created Immigration Act of 1965 and the reasons behind it. The best thing is that once explained it makes perfect sense to almost everyone I’ve told the story to. The people of the US never voted on this nor did they ask for it. One group pursued this, and once their early 60’s coup was complete, it was put in place with dummy sponsors like Teddy K, in order for the public to associate non-Jewish faces with this treachery.
Current govt policies are already pushing whites toward practicing ethnic nepotism, just like the Jews and all other non-whites do. Most whites just don’t realize it yet.
To Detroit Express:
If you go to the comment by “Surfer” on Dec. 16, you’ll see his animadversions with resepct to “ingrained” Jewsih peculiarities in “cognitive makeup.” Naturally he fails to corroborate his wooly speculations with hard evidence, because there is none.
And as for white “improvement” of various colonial empires that was mentioned by another blogger above, every colonizer and exploiter claims to be “uplfiting” the recipients of their civilizing missions. I am struck by the crocodile tears you are all shedding for the Palestinians, but I have yet to see a single word of sympathy for the hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese and Algerians who perished in fighting for independence against French occupiers, or for the Chechens and other oppressed Muslim peoples in the Caucasus who have suffered under Russian occupation for the past two centuries, or for the Filipinos who died in the hundreds of thousands fighting the U.S. occupation of their land after the Spanish-American War. Are you more partial to some victims over others? Are victims of European colonizers easily forgotten whle those in Palestine under Jewish domination (which I deplore, by the way) deserve your sympathy?
Just more incovenient Socratic questioning for you, Daedalus.
Thanks, Mr. Stern. According to a recent documentary on the National Geographic channel, the commander of the “Bismarck”, Admiral Gunther Lütjens, should be added to your list.
Where are the tears and guilt for the millions upon millions of Ukrainians, Russians, other E. Europeans murdered by Jewish communist leaders? Never hear a peep about that. Just inconvenient pieces of history best left forgotten. People brutally murdered for the most part because they weren’t Jewish, when one peels away the dirt shoveled over these parts of history.
By the way, since the Vietnam War was basically half the CIA wanting heroin money to fund operations and half Meyer Lansky and his bunch wanting the heroin trade, I guess we’re all waiting to see the laments from the zionists over their use of American youngsters to further their aims. Same as they’re doing now using US youth for the benefit of Greater Israel since they’re own IDF, not only being small, is also ineffective in real war. Just look at what Hezbollah did with rifles and shovels.
But then again, the only lives worth anything are Jewish. Whatever Jews want is right and just. It is apparently impossible for Jews to conceive or admit that other people who differ in opinion on something from Jews might be right. Mr. Stern was probably assigned to this site. Maybe he’s part of a “shift” LOL. He has run the discussion off course in a way.
all this blather about whites and whiteness is the other side of the coin from blather concerning jews having some racial uniqueness or difference from other humans…being a brilliant person or a complete asshole does not mean you are a member of a special race of smarties or dumbos, it just means your opportunities to expand understanding and develop critical consciousness may have been limited or were different because of the society of humans you came from and the quality of your health and mental well being…zionists and nazis and apparently some around here suffer from the same mental disorder, which is believing that there is some “racial” difference between people from different geographic and/or cultural backgrounds…please check out the -relatively – unbiased scientific evidence that shows there is only one race and it is human…there is not a dime’s worth of internal biological difference, between a jewish, white, african, asian, heterosexual, homosexual, very tall fat or very short thin person or midget or giant that indicates a different race or breed…there is no italian lung or german spleen or jewish heart or chinese liver and there certainly is not a white brain though there seems to be a white consciousness among some here and it makes as little sense – racially! – as a norwegian penis, spanish testacles or nigerian breasts…
we are human , period…after that, our membership in the asshole or numbskull or murderer or poet or philosopher or combination of those groups and more club has to do with our nature and our environment in combination…after we find common ground on those facts of material reality, we may engage in rewarding debate and discussion as to who and what is responsible for our problems, what systems of organization might best serve humanity as solutions ,and such…but this crap about whites are, jews are, blacks are, that makes it seem these and other groups “are” because of race simply adds to the massive stupidity and ignorance that is holding back our development as what we actualy are: a human race.
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Mr. Stern always tries to dodge facts. Most of the areas whites “exploited” were improved. Even S. Africa, which Jews lobbied to have come under ‘black rule (sure it is) in order for Oppenheimer et al to reign supreme. The areas jews have “exploited” have collapsed, sucked dry with nothing but empty husks remaining. There is not one area that Jews have been able to build up and improve on their own. Israel is drowning in money stolen from American taxpayers. Take that aid away and the Israelis are at each other’s throats within days. Probably time for everyone to move on to another topic. You can be sure Mr. Stern will be paid to do so.
Drive By Surfer:”I think that while Jews are talented in many areas, they are incapable of actually running a successful, self-sustaining country or civilization…”
Detroit Express:”The Jews do seem to have a proclivity for running governments and countries into the ground when they are in control or at least in control of certain arms of governments. This has happened so many times that the only way to argue against it is to lie or rationalize to the extreme.”
Both of you are precisely correct — why would ANY nation allow an almost permanently stateless or nationless ethnic group like Jews to run their nation?
That is an absurd proposition — being stateless internationalists (most Jews in the world live outside of Israel), Jews lack the simple idealism of running a nation, and Jews are utterly incompetent at statecraft because of their corruption and nepotistic attitudes.
Again, the question deserves to be asked: why would any nation allow a stateless group like Jews to engage in politics or statecraft within their nation?
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Eman, good question. It certainly isn’t the “people” who allow the Jews to run things. It’s the corrupt politicians who take Jewish money and do their bidding or run for it. Or those who are blackmailed into doing their bidding. People act as if it took incredible smarts and cunning for the Jews to take over the US government (and others) when it’s merely a case of organized, focused individuals working toward taking over, destroying nations filled with atomized, individualistic populations. Jews make fun of “conspiracy theorists” because the Jews are in fact involved in conspiracies. Constantly.
Don’t argue with Jews. It’s a complete waste of time, as this thread demonstrates.
To Z.O.G.:
I agree with you. As this thread idoes indeed demonstrate, it certainly is a complete waste of time for knuckle-dragging, ignorant fools to contend with a brilliant, highly educated, articulate, and unafraid Jew, even when he’s outnumbered on this blog a hundred to one.
It wasn’t the Jews, by the way, who have run your precious homelands into the ground; a rudimentary knowledge of European and world history shows that internecine conflict spawned by dynastic rivalries (e.g. the Thirty Years’s War, the War of the Roses, the Swedish-Russian wars in the eighteenth centry), followed by competition for overseas colonies and contiental dominance (e.g. bloody conflicts between the French, British, Russians, Spaniards on various continents), the First World War, the Franco-Prussian War, not to mention the war of racial extermination launched by the lunatics in Germany so admired by the posters here) led to the true downfall of your predatory civiilization. (I leave out the ecological ravages wrought by Western colonizaton and the counltess millions of non-white victims of colonial “improvement” in every corner of the globe over the past five centuries, since their fate is of little concern to people of your ilk.
The whole lot of you are abject losers and misfits who constantly whine about Jewish domination because you are too cowardly and stupid to confess to your own failures, so you search for the nearest scapegoat, as did Hitler the second-rate dauber rejected by the Vienna Academy of Arts, , Himmler the puny, cowardly bankrupt chicken farmer, Goering the pot-bellied drug addict, Goebbels the dwarfish, club-footed hack writer, Streicher the sadistic pervert, Robert Ley the inveterate drunkard, Hess the crackpot megalomaniac) and innumerable other misfits who blamed Jews for their own inadequacy. Reading your postings, I can clearly see that their bastard progeny are still among us.