Alex Kurtagic: I and other contributors to The Occidental Observer have received the following email from one Joel Stern, who currently holds a position as translator at the U.S. Department of State:
Ladies and Gentlemen:
I’m an American Jew whose aunt and cousins in Czechoslovakia and Hungary were exterminated in WW II (presumably in Auschwitiz, although I have no actual confirmation of their fate).
For the past several months I’ve been reading the articles in TQO and TOO. The common thread between them is the genetically and culturally alien nature of and countless misfortunes inflicted by Jews in their host countries.
Leaving aside the validity or flimsiness of your arguments, what do you personally envisage as the solution to the “Judenfrage”? Mass expulsion from the West? Segregation in ghettos? A quota system in education and other drastic steps to protect the vulnerable gentile population? Conversion to Christianity and eventual assimilation through intermarriage? Massacres by Einsatzgruppen? (I have no doubt that enough volunteers for this task could be found among sundry Christian Identity and National Alliance types.) Nuclear annihilation of Israel?
I have yet to see even one serious, comprehensive proposal put forward by the TQO and TOO writers with respect to this matter.
I think Mr. Stern oversimplifies when he alleges that the common thread uniting contributors’ articles is Jews: I, for example, write about the White condition and have only occasionally made passing mention of Jewish intellectual movements. (This is not to say I may not choose to write about Jews in future; but, for now, I am interested in Whiteness.) Mr. Stern’s allegation betrays, perhaps, a certain narcissism: he has obviously been looking only for references to his brethren, and been blind to everything else. Having said this, I would like to invite Mr. Stern to join the debate by contributing with his own proposed solution(s). For myself I will read it with great interest.
Meanwhile, and in view of the comments you have made with regard to a past German government, will you take this opportunity to forcefully and inequivocally condemn Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians, and actively lobby for a halt to their unjust persecution and harassment by the Israeli government? Will you express your righteous anger at, and abhorrence of, Palestinian inequality before the law in the Jewish state, and demand equal rights to all peoples within Israel’s jurisdiction, irrespective or race, ancestry, and nationality? Will you publicly deplore the civilian deaths and the destruction of Palestinian property by the Israeli government, and clamour for a public apology and restitution? We would find your moral outrage a reassuring first step.
I agree Alex.
It is up to the good Mr Stern to tell us what he proposes. Not the other way around.
Prof MacDonald is simply laying out the facts and letting us decide. I have not once seen the advocating of Special Action units and Camps.
Mr Stern you prove the good Professors points by the arrogance and bullying way iun which you are attempting to “reach out” to us.
Having a German father and being raised respecting German culture I am tired of being bashed over the head with a guilt hammer.
One last thing. I am far far far more concerned that if the big baby of America in the Middle East Israel doesn’t get its way on Iran and countless other complaints it is we here in America and Europe that face nuclear destruction. They after all have 200 Nukes that are “off limits” to State Department and IAEA inspection unlike Iran.
It is your job at the State Department to prevent such a thing Mr Stern. I suggest you get to work quickly because every day on TV Radio and Internet I hear and see the trumpets of war blowing loudly from Washington New York London Paris and Tel Aviv. Get going Mr Stern you have much work to do.
This correspondence is just one more example of Jewish aggression against the goyim. And, to borrow an old Texas witticism, the goyim are taking knives to a gunfight. We the goyim need to be even more aggressive in our defense of our culture and people than the Jews are in attacking us.
I’m referring particularly to the anti-German smears. Granted, there are plenty enough goyim to create an anti-Jewish death squad. But Soviet history asserts in no uncertain terms that Jews are no different.
As Mr. Stern alludes to the Holocaust, it should be thrown right back in his face. The standard excuse for belaboring the holocaust ad nauseam is to ensure such atrocities never happen again. This argument doesn’t hold water. There are several quotes of Hitler expressing great interest in the fact that the media really didn’t seem much interested in reporting the Armenian genocide; nobody seemed to care. The media also didn’t seem interested in reporting on the Bolsheviks killing between six and ten million Ukrainians–something Hitler had to have known of. In other words, the Jewish holocaust happened simply because Hitler thought he could get away with it–that nobody would care.
Have things changed? No! Jews are a major group blocking recognition of the Armenian genocide. And the Jewish-owned New York Times positively celebrated reporter Walter Duranty for denying that the Bolsheviks murdered any Ukrainians. Then a few years ago the NYT refused to support an effort to have Duranty’s Pulitzer Prize taken away. Finally, only about half of those who died in Nazi concentration camps were even Jewish. When was the last time anybody heard about the non-Jewish victims of Germany’s concentration camps?
To answer Mr. Stern’s question: We the goyim should resist Jewish efforts to destroy our culture and people with the minimum amount of resistance necessary to allow our people and cultures to flourish. It’s a matter of defending our right to exist. And exactly how much force or resistance is that? Well, that’s up to the Jews.
I’ll propose an idyllic solution that I think is fair, although has little chance of being implemented. You may not like it but here it goes:
Israel
- Cut all foreign aid from almost every country in the world, including Israel and Egypt.
- Impose military embargo on all of Middle East. No public weapons sales to Israel, Egypt, Saudia Arabia etc.
- Withdraw US from UN (and other like organizations such as NATO, CAFTA, NAFTA and WTO). The US won’t vote in favor of resolutions condemning Israel but won’t veto them either, as it won’t be in the UN.
- Don’t pass any resolutions expressing opinions on another country’s actions be it Iran’s nuclear program, Israel’s campaigns in Lebanon or Gaza or Syria’s meddling in Lebanon.
- Only invade countries that pose direct threat to US based on open civil debate with no insults on what is a threat, (probably not Iran or Iraq), including possibly North Korea or specific parts of Afghanistan where perpetratorts of 9/11 are hiding. Make engagements as quick and casualty-free as possible and limited to goal of defending US interests.
- Any donation made that goes overseas is not tax-deductible.
- All foreign lobbies, including AIPAC should be strictly monitored, and preferably banned, since unlike domestic lobbies they are not protected by the 1st amendment.
- Practice restricted fair free trade but no outsourcing or immigration with every nation.
Jews in general
– Return 10th amendment. Federal government can’t discriminate or practice affirmative action in hiring for o against Jews. States can decide whether or not to discriminate or enforce discrimination. Only states, not federal governments, can decide whether or not to ban (or enforce) discrimination in private sphere.
- Annul establishment cause. US congress can’t ban or mandate state religion, but any individual state can declare as state religion or outlaw Islam, Judaism, Catholicism or Mormonism as it sees fit.
- End federal reserve and regulate financial system so as to prevent dishonest dealings, which Jews purportedly benefit from. No bailouts whatsoever no matter how big the crisis. End restrictions such as licensing requirements, public funding for colleges and a myriad of regulations that all benefit larger corporations over smaller ones.
- End charter schools and don’t implement vouchers which benefit religious over secular taxpayers. Preferably decrease or eliminate funding for public schools also.
- Repeal hate crime bills. Crime should be punishable whether or not it’s hate.
- Defund government committees to combat anti-Semitism etc. It’s important but not the government’s job.
- With regards to any charges of anti-Semitism or other prejudices against officials who hire or promote or against law enforcement, innocent until proven guilty.
I am sure there are other things that make this list, but it’s long already.
Mr Stern need not concern himself. Americans have been trained to internalize Jewish fears and sensibilities in what Joachim Martillo calls the inner screeching Jew. This will surely preclude any rigorous examination of Jewish power and influence that would lead to unfavorable conclusions.
Oriental Observer is correct, but I believe the cognitive dissonance is going to become too great for the cattle to handle. In other words, the lid is going to blow. As they have done many times in the past, the Zionists have overreached, in my opinion. All peoples have their strong and weak cognitive points, drives. I firmly believe that they cannot help themselves when it comes to overreaching, and that they merely laugh at someone suggesting this, as they cannot see it themselves, so great is the self-deception. It is similar to Indians that I have worked with (I am in a technical area of film production and have to deal with a lot of below par “imports” these days). The Indians, almost to a man, are incapable of seeing their own mistakes, even when put in front of their noses. Or they simply cannot admit to them. Someone in Silicon Valley nick-named this “Perfection Blindness”. It’s a perfect term to describe this. All groups have some type(s) of innate blindness, and the Jews have several that are apparent. The self-deception is evident in some of the posts made here by ostensibly Jewish readers.
It did not take long for the Jew to trot out The Holocaust, did it? No disputation of facts, just “look what you Gentiles did. Is this what you want to do to us again?” All criticism of the Jews must end in the “gas chambers.” That’s the arrogance of the Jews again who want to silence all argument. Was their expulsion warranted? Is it warranted now? To say so would be dangerous indeed in our occupied country.
One more matter: Don’t apologize to this guy even if you had discussed what to do with the Jews in this country. There is no question what the Jews would do to traitors in their country, Israel.
The hope is that Jews in positions of influence (obviously scant criticism is mounted against 100 IQ Saul who works the cash register at your local kosher deli) will take it upon themselves to rein in the more obnoxious and noxious actors amongst their people. But for that to happen, men like Stern will have to look beyond their self regard, their paranoia, and their supremacist sense of entitlement.
Good luck Mr. Stern, that could prove to be a daunting task.
Implicit in Stern’s missive is the hypocritical standard that those of European descent are to renounce the defense of their people by means physical – one Mr. Stern would obviously not apply to Jews, and certainly not Jews in Israel. Though Whites in America, and elsewhere, are vastly statistically more likely to be brutalized by non-Whites than are Jews to be assailed by Palestinians in Israel. I’m willing to bet Stern never thought of it that way, which shouldn’t surprise.
One doesn’t have to look at what Jews do to traitors in Israel. One only has to look at what the Jews did to the Ukrainians, Russians, Poles, Yugoslavs, etc when they ruled over these people. That’s what they wish to do to whites in the US and in Europe. In fact, I have little doubt they wish to do worse.
Jews need a national homeland of their own, in addition to and not replacing any other policy we have.
After countless pogroms and one giant Holocaust, I think the world should be able to see that Jews are an endangered species and need a nature preserve.
I suggest their historical home, Israel, and that Western news sources stop trying to judge and fix the conflict there.
I support Israel because I support nationalism for all ethnic groups, a belief called Pan-Nationalism. I agree with Mr. Stern that if one takes the far-right as a whole, there’s too much talk of and blame of Jews when the real problem is Western liberalism.
The whole point of mentioning the Jews is, of course, that they have from time to time constituted an influential elite in many Western countries. In other words, they have influenced Western thought, culture, philosophy, arts etc. Since Jews and Jewish culture/religion/philosophy is a part of Western history, we should also reflect on that influence. Jews have also written extensively on European and American history and culture, so this is a bilateral process.
The fact that Jews tend to accuse non-philosemites of anti-semitism is not something we can take seriously. Nobody necessarily hates those that they do not love.
Western liberalism would either be ineffectual or marginalized if it were not for the colossal financial and media backing. Furthermore, Liberalism in the absence of Jews would not be taking racially and culturally lethal forms absent the Jews.
To Jewish Reader… I like your ideas, they should be thought about and expanded upon. If people were aware of *the Jewish problem* that is if avenues of communication were truly open and people were free to discuss what they observe then a just and humane solution could occur. One way the Moors controlled minorities (Christians and Jews) was through taxation.
Thank you for your thoughtful words.
Brett can’t see that the Jews are trying to exterminate European peoples, all over the world, in a rather drawn out process. By that I mean using them to achieve their dreams of a Greater Israel by fighting their wars, as their overrated military is incapable, and using us to fuel their ever-growing cache of money, by taxing us out of our shoes to pay the interest our governments “owe” their bank(s).
Lest we have to put up with someone telling us the endless lies and exaggerations about how wonderful the IDF soldiers and pilots are, here’s a column by the “War Nerd” that keeps getting removed from the net – because of Jewish pressure, the most telling comment being a quote from one of the US Commanders in Gulf War I describing the Israelis, who are simply used to fighting people who throw rocks. He called them “…a bunch of arrogant pricks who wouldn’t last ten minutes on a European battlefield.” While I don’t agree with all of what Mr. Brecher says, he has to do some butt-kissing so he isn’t called an “anti-Semite”, most of his observations (and those of real military people) are correct: http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/2006/2006-August/014974.html
The Jews have their “homeland” already. The fact that they feel they have to destroy the rest of the world, to get rid of whites (lets be honest) is not in doubt. All because they feel it will be easier to run things without those pesky white people who can knock the Jews off their pedestal if they wake up, get angry and organize. It should also be noted the Jews have to go to other people’s countries to “succeed”. That’s because everyone but their own is fair game. Think about the mentality behind that, the vile hatred behind a culture/religion that preaches this, condones this. A code that has trains one from birth to look for the angles, to chisel, to take from those who aren’t of your extended family.
“Jews need a national homeland of their own, in addition to and not replacing any other policy we have.
“After countless pogroms and one giant Holocaust, I think the world should be able to see that Jews are an endangered species and need a nature preserve.
“I suggest their historical home, Israel, and that Western news sources stop trying to judge and fix the conflict there.”
Mr. Stevens, since the “Jewish homeland” of Israel is land that is already occupied, it sounds as if we’re going to have yet one more successful genocide campaign that will have to be suppressed.
You obviously have strong feelings about the holocaust yet counsel us not to “judge” when it comes to atrocious Jewish behavior toward the Palestinians. Is this double standard really consistent with your notions of fair play?
I can’t quarrel with your position since if anything happens to Israel, all of those Jews will undoubtedly move to the West. But Jews have neither moral nor legal claim to Palestine.
Thousands of years ago Jews abandoned the idea of their own homeland in favor of a frequently peripatetic, parasitic relationship with other nations. Despite all their alleged longings for their own homeland, Jews made no move to realize this dream until about a hundred years ago–long after this land had become home to others.
I think the only solution to the Jewish-Palestinian problem is to have the Jews buy out the interests of Palestinians in their traditional homeland with cold, hard cash–Jewish cash. What we’re seeing now is Jewish behavior that is all too common: Taking everything from the non-Jewish native, giving absolutely nothing in return, and then wondering why the natives are hopping mad at them. This kind of predatory, rapacious Jewish behavior should not be tolerated anymore.
As far as the holocaust goes, Jews didn’t suffer anything that the goyim haven’t suffered as well. So, if Jews deserve something for nothing because of the holocaust, shouldn’t the Russians and Ukrainians be entitled to something for nothing as well, especially considering Jewish culpability in these genocides? Or do you again advocate for a double standard favoring Jews?
Finally, the most charitable characterization I can make of your comments is that you are ignorant of the arguments made on this website, as you blithely ignore them. If so, I would encourage you to familiarize yourself with them, particularly Professor MacDonald’s.
If you are a reality-by-decree leftist or Jew, I doubt you will do well on this website unless you learn to take us and our arguments as seriously as we take yours.
[W]hat do you personally envisage as the solution to the “Judenfrage”? Mass expulsion from the West? Segregation in ghettos? A quota system in education and other drastic steps to protect the vulnerable gentile population? Conversion to Christianity and eventual assimilation through intermarriage? Massacres by Einsatzgruppen? (I have no doubt that enough volunteers for this task could be found among sundry Christian Identity and National Alliance types.) Nuclear annihilation of Israel?
I have yet to see even one serious, comprehensive proposal put forward by the TQO and TOO writers with respect to this matter.
I commend Mr. Stern on his courageous engagement with the critics of his tribe. It isn’t too often members of that tribe break from its tradition of simultaneously ignoring and heaping opprobrium on us.
To answer his question, I think a good start would be a Constitutional amendment fully and unequivocally acknowledging right of American citizens to free association, in every sense, outlawing the body of laws known by the Orwellian name, “anti-discrimination law.” Such an amendment, properly enforced, would go a long way in appeasing us.
It would mean we could set up our own communities, away from Jews and everybody else, without fear of being overrun the second we build something worth overrunning. My, my, my, what a radical wish! No gulags, no forced separation, no expulsion, no quotas, no forced assimilation, no death squads.
Whites excel at opening up new frontiers. What ethnopatriots need is a way to keep what we make.
In short, we want the right to escape, Mr. Stern.
Alternative answer: let peoples of European extraction the world over have for themselves what Jews have for themselves in Israel.
Steven makes an excellent point:
It should also be noted the Jews have to go to other people’s countries to “succeed”.
It sticks out at me because it’s such a taboo point to make. I’ve phrased it many ways and it’s always blocked at places like Steve Sailer’s blog, and Amren (to be fair, one particularly gymnastic wording got through at Sailer’s).
“I think a good start would be a Constitutional amendment fully and unequivocally acknowledging right of American citizens to free association, in every sense, outlawing the body of laws known by the Orwellian name, “anti-discrimination law.”
Svigor, there already is such an amendment: the First Amendment. Please take note of the phrase in upper case:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; OR THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE PEACEABLY TO ASSEMBLE, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The problem is that the Constitution simply isn’t followed; Jews see it as a huge impediment to their interests. So, I’m not sure what good another amendment would do.
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Matthew Dunnyveg: perhaps you should get your “facts” updated concerning the famous Hitler quote…
The quote had been declared “a forgery” (yet another one) since 1984, that was 24 years ago !!!
Dr. Robert John, a historian and political analyst of Armenian descent from New York City, declared that a commonly used quotation of an alleged statement by Adolf Hitler concerning the Armenian massacres was a forgery and should not be used.
During the Nuremberg trial, the German defense lawyers were able to introduce the most complete account of the August 22 1939 address, taken down by German Admiral Hermann Boehm, which runs to 12 pages in translation. There is NO mention of the Armenians or the rest of the “quotation.”
Kevrok Bardakciyan in a June 11, 2005 interview admits clearly that the statement of Hitler saying that “who remembers the murdered Armenians?” could not be found out despite all the searches in the archives. “… I have conducted researches for eighteen months in order to reach an evidence of this statement. I could not find out valid evidence proving that Hitler said such a statement.
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On one side is the traditional, orthodox view — six million Jewish casualties, gas chambers, cremation ovens, mass graves, and thousands of witnesses. On the other is the view of a small band of skeptical writers and researchers, often unfairly labeled “deniers,” who contend that the public has been gravely misled about this emotion-laden chapter of history.
The author establishes that the arguments and findings of revisionist scholars are substantive, and deserve serious consideration. He points out, for example, that even the eminent Jewish Holocaust scholar Raul Hilberg acknowledged that there was no budget, plan or order by Hitler for a World War II program to exterminate Europe’s Jews.
This book is especially relevant right now, as “Holocaust deniers” are routinely and harshly punished for their “blasphemy,” and as growing numbers of people regard the standard, Hollywoodized “Holocaust” narrative with mounting suspicion and distrust.
The author of this book, who writes under the pen name of “Thomas Dalton,” is an American scholar who holds a doctoral degree from a major US university.
This is no peripheral debate between arcane views of some obscure aspect of twentieth century history. Instead, this is a clash with profound social-political implications regarding freedom of speech and press, the manipulation of public opinion, how our cultural life is shaped, and how power is wielded in our society.
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I am not a thinker or writer who is formally a part of the TOQ/TOO group, so what I say in the following comment is solely my own opinion on the best solution(s) to the international Jewish problem.
+ 1 – In my opinion, the only true solution to the international Jewish problem is a permanent and complete separation of Jews from not only White Westerners but also from ALL other racial/ethnic groups as well, including Asians, Africans, Latin Americans, etc. Frankly, Jews are so parasitic and destructive, they are such a de-stabilizing ethnic group along with a dire threat to international security and stability, that they must be forever be separated from all other groups and nations and then closely monitored by an international organization explicitly set up to do just that. Once the (hopefully peaceful and orderly) macro-separation of Jews and non-Jews occurs, Jewry must never again be allowed to meddle in international politics, global and/or national finances, the mass-media, international trade, academia, law, medicine, etc. except in their own nation of Israel.
+ 2 – Being an ethno-nationalist who supports the existence of permanent homelands for ALL other ethnic/racial groups, I am a Zionist — I fully support the existence of an independent and permanent Jewish nation for the long stateless, wandering, and suffering Jewish masses. Jews should be strongly encouraged, using various methods, to immigrate to Israel and stay there permanently — despite being born there very many Israeli Jews actually leave Israel every single year and never return; in fact, more Jews permanently leave Israel every year than the number who yearly immigrate there. This is a very disturbing trend that must be halted and reversed.
+ 3 – As a temporary or gradualist solution, a handful of semi-autonomous Jewish colonies and/or city-states could possibly be founded or established in some Western nations. However, these territories or city-states would be strictly cordoned off from the rest of the nation that contains them, and no Jews would be allowed to live outside of them or influence the overall non-Jewish nation from inside of them. However, no nation should contain more than one (1) designated Jewish colony, territory, or city-state within its borders — preferably none of these would exist at all and Jewry would live totally in their own nation of Israel.
+ 4 – For American Jews, I have an idea to turn NYC and its environs (possibly even the lower half of NY State plus the northern half of NJ) in to a semi-autonomous Jewish city-state or territory under White American control, but it would be a place where Jews could live as they wished. However, ALL economic institutions and banks, governmental offices, media companies, universities, etc, within said city-state would gradually become closed off to the rest of the USA and The West, i.e. they would become Jewish-only and not be allowed to influence or have any sway the rest of the nation or the world. Again, from inside these colonies or city-states Jews could live as they wish, but their actions and/or institutions from inside of them would never be allowed to influence the rest of the nation.
+ 5 -Both full and partial ethnic Jews can now be fully identified genetically – http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2009/01/how_ashkenazi_jewish_are_you.php – and thus there is no longer any way for them to avoid being detected living in and subverting White/Western nations, i.e. the long age of the hidden Western illness of crypto-Jewry has come to an end. Thus Jews must finally realize that their ‘gig’ is up, genetic testing plus the intellectual openness of the internet means that the Age of Hidden Jewish Subversion is over; as such, Jews and non-Jews must permanently separate peacefully and in an orderly fashion before savage anti-Jewish violence again flares up due to obvious international Jewish criminality as it has dozens if not hundreds of times throughout history.
+ 6 – Mass expulsion of Jews from any country or territory is a bad strategy because it allows the horizontal transmission of the ‘Jewish plague’ to other nations, thus starting the cycle of Jewish destruction all over again in a new place or places. Expelling Jews is like stupidly stirring up a hornet’s nest, sneezing all over other people when you are very sick with a highly contagious illness, and/or wantonly cutting in to a metastatic tumor (which then allows it to spread all over the body) — doing that allows the Jewish problem to spread even wider and deeper, which is of course very bad. Thus the wisest solution to the international Jewish problem is of course one of permanent containment, not a disorganized expulsion of them which allows them to metastasize even more like a worldwide cancer across the global body of humanity.
+ 7 – I would prefer that ALL Jews as well as partial Jews leave Europe entirely, including Russia, because Europe is of course the White/Western homeland; if necessary they should even be forced out of Europe and legally barred from living there. Jews should immediately and permanently leave Europe completely, especially owing to the centuries of insane destruction and disgusting parasitism they have wrought there. If Jews want to live in a Western nation they should come to the USA for the time being, which has plenty of room and resources for them until we can figure out a definite solution to the international Jewish problem.
There is much more I could write regarding other ways to deal with the international Jewish plague, but these ideas will suffice for now. If I get some responses to this comment I may write more.
[...] to the International Jewish Problem Jump to Comments Over on the TOO blog, I wrote the following comment (revised a bit here) in response to a letter which was received by TOO from a Jew named Joel Stern [...]
“perhaps you should get your “facts” updated concerning the famous Hitler quote…”
The quotes I read appeared in the writings of Ian Kershaw and Roger Griffin. If I take their word over yours, I hope you’ll understand.
But even if I grant your argument it would in no way weaken my contention that Hitler thought he could get away with killing whoever he wanted. Lots of negative things can, and should, be said about Hitler. But ignorant he was not. It is only reasonable to conclude that Hitler kept abreast of world events, and was hence fully aware of these events and the reaction to them. If you can prove that Hitler was ignorant of these atrocities, you will have my full and undivided attention. In the meantime, if you wish to believe otherwise, that’s your business.
As far as the holocaust goes, I’m not in the least concerned about the minutiae anymore than I’m concerned about the minutiae of any of the other twentieth century’s mass killings. What’s more, all of these events were moral travesties. My concern is with why they happened and the larger ramifications of these events.
Svigor, there already is such an amendment: the First Amendment. Please take note of the phrase in upper case:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; OR THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE PEACEABLY TO ASSEMBLE, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The problem is that the Constitution simply isn’t followed; Jews see it as a huge impediment to their interests. So, I’m not sure what good another amendment would do.
Neither here nor there, but the phrase “free association” does not appear in that passage. The wording implies something other than a full and inalienable right to free association. An amendment I’d propose would be not at all vague.
I’d also quote myself, with added emphasis:
Such an amendment, properly enforced, would go a long way in appeasing us.
The question is not whether any given party would honor this, or whether our rights have been and continue to be abrogated. Stern asked what we wanted, and I gave my take on it.
Like Matthew, I’m concerned with mass killings over the 20th century. Those that actually occurred that is. We can prove the Armenian genocide by “Turks” (the actual background of those Turks is quite a story in itself). We can show the Jewish led Bolsheviks and Communists murdered tens of millions of Ukrainians, Russians and other E. Europeans during their control of the “Eastern Bloc”. Where we run into problems is in the claim of the “6 million”, which coincidentally matches the religious prophecy of 6 million Jews having to die in fire for Israel to be created. We run into problems, large problems, due to the inconvenient population numbers available that don’t support a claim of 6 million Jews murdered in camps, never mind no true info or evidence that actually supports an intentional plan by Hitler or anyone else to kill all of the Jews. However, we do seem to have more than enough evidence on hand today, for example the people behind the anti-white immigration laws in Western countries, to show the Jews do want to commit genocide against White Westerners. I guess to speed up this long post I’ll simply say that my opinion is that Jews accuse all others of what they themselves have done or what they themselves wish to do. Never mind the seemingly increasing numbers of Holocaust survivors. How much longer before reparations are demanded for the children and “… Grandchildren of the Holocaust,”? You know, people whose lives were forever affected, derailed, because of grandparent claimed to have been in “the camps”. I admit I chuckled at little Bernie Madoff and rat-faced rapist Roman Polanski as I had commented to friends that the “Holocaust” would show up in their defense strategies and excuses. Which of course it did.
I agree with most of what Zsidozas says, and his comments go back to Steven Bretts noting that the Jews must go to other peoples’ countries to succeed. They see it as natural to subvert, cheat, chisel those they are taught to believe to be inferior, those that are here to serve them. If among themselves, they’re in a quandary! No rubes! I’ve never believed the Jews to be as smart in some ways (or creative) as they and others believe they are. They have been good at synthesizing or combing the ideas of others – some of this is a by-product of being raised or innately seeing one as an outsider, separate. Combine this with being raised by people telling you step back and look at all the angles. This type of thinking can help academically and in other areas. It can also be detrimental to those outside the in-group, if there is a malevolence that is taught (or even innate) toward outsiders. Combine that with constant “affirmations” that ingrain the belief of superiority over all others and you get what we see all around us now.
The Jews need to be separated or heavily controlled, which sounds draconian, but look at what they are doing to us. Like others, I believe they have an inborn arrogance that simply does not allow them to see or at least admit their own treachery, duplicity, hate, racist beliefs or even their own errors. Which is to our advantage in the long run. I am among the camp that believes they will screw up again. But this time around things are on a larger scale and will be in a far worse shambles. Whites have to deal with tens of millions of non-whites in their midst (most of them courtesy of Jewish instigated Immigration laws). Tens of millions of non-whites whom the Jews have taught to hate Whitey, non-whites whom the Jews have trained to believe Whitey owes all. An amusing side note to this is despite the efforts of the tribe, the non-whites simply see Jews as wealthy, privileged, sissy soft, hypocritical, very privileged whites. Part of this stems from Jews trying to play both sides of the coin. In the end, it won’t work for them. But like others have stated before, things are going to get a lot worse. They have to when you think about it.
I’m talking about a Constitutional right to discriminate, in all things, in any way. Not a right to freely assemble.
Svigor, I wish you every success.
Hopefully Mr. Stern will use his position of influence in the State Department to bring to justice the Zionist Oppressors who murdered the White girl Rachel Corrie… Of course I am not going to hold my breath waiting for this to come to pass!
It appears that only Jewish suffering and that allegedly singular even ‘The Holocaust’ count and nothing else.
Hi to Matthew Dunnyveg,
“As far as the holocaust goes, I’m not in the least concerned about the minutiae…My concern is with why they happened”
I do appreciate your thoughtful response. I am not trying to be a “ball-buster”, but to want to know ‘WHY”, you have to know the “WHAT”… first. “Minutiae” is a relative term. What you may think is a minutiae may be the hinge to a whole thesis. Sometimes (maybe most of the time) the minutiae is too speculative to extrapolate anything for a proof, such as in the Holocaust narrative. Whatever the narrative is that you think is accurate, I agree it is important to ask why it happened. BUT what happened is more important, even if involves minutiae, otherwise what is the point of asking why.
There is a recent news item you can Google and my friend Joe wrote to the NYT about it. This is an example why it is important to know WHAT happened:
To The Editor,
Let me see if I understand the article that appeared in today’s Times about Holocaust survivor Yitzhak Ganon’s aversion to doctors. ( ”Heart Treated, Old Wound Opened” : NY Times , Dec. 13, 2009 ). According to the article Yitzhak was so traumatized by having his kidney removed by the infamous Dr. Mengele without anesthesia some 65 years ago while an inmate at Auschwitz that he refused to ever visit a doctor again. ” Mr. Ganon was tied down on a table, and without anesthesia was cut open by Dr. Mengele, who then removed a kidney. ” I saw the kidney pulsating in his hand and cried like a crazy man ” Mr. Ganon said.”
Although expected when dealing with claims of Holocaust survivors, it is still astonishing that, that the America’s so-called ”newspaper of record ” would put aside accepted practices and procedures of journalism and not challenge such an outrageous assertion. For one thing , a ” removed kidney would not pulsate ” but more importantly a kidney removal without anesthesia would have most certainly killed him. To it’s credit the Times story omitted another claim reported by some of the wire service versions of the story that he was sent back to work within days of the operation. Neither did the Times include the claim that the reason he survived was that he was # 201 on the line for the gas chamber whose capacity was 200. ( Shouldn’t he then have been the first to go with the next batch of 200? ) —Giuseppe Furioso
Peace.
Michael Santomauro
Editorial Director
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Michael, what I mean by minutiae is measuring the sizes of gas chambers, trying to determine the exact weight and height of inmates, and so on. It’s simply not something that would appeal to me under any circumstances.
I think rather than try to show that, say, only one million Jews died in the concentration camps as opposed to six million is at all productive. It only serves to alienate potential allies. Such arguments play right into Jewish hands. I think the goal is to attack a target that allows us a good chance for success, and will do us some good.
Rather, I think our best bet is to attack the outrageous double standards between how the holocaust is publicized and why events where no or few Jews died are largely ignored. It gives us the moral high ground, and rightly so. Holocaust revisionism is a sure path to being dismissed as a sadist or nut by most people.
I’m glad to see that my question regarding the place and ultimate fate of Jews in Western society has aroused such a wide-ranging debate, which I find most enlightening.
I could not possibly respond to every point raised in this voluminous exchange. But i would like to state a few of my own beliefs.
As a student of history and observer of current events, I do not support multiculturalism and so-called diversity, which I regard as sheer folly. Humans are biological creatures and are governed primarily by emotion, not abstract theories. They naturally associate with their own kind. I therefore fully support the idea of free association. I have absolutely no objectiion to the continuance of European white culture, which has every right to exist regardless of what other ethnic groups or races may think of it.
Second, I too regret the horrible sufferings inflicted on East Europeans and other peoples by those who belong to my ethnic group. Do not ignore the fact, however, that German Christians deliberately starved to death several million Soviet soldiers, killed about three million gentile Poles among the clergy and intelligentisia), kidnapped children throughout Europe as part of their plan to breed a master race, and drove countless hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and Slavs to death in slave labor installations. This comment is not meant to exculpate my co-religionists, only to point out that cruelty and deceit are not confined to Jews.
Third, in a message sent to me personally by either Tom Sunic or J. Pyle (who write for TOO and the TOQ), I was assured that the intellectuals collaborating with these two Internet outlets have nothing in common with the murderous thugs in the Christian Identity movement and the National Alliance. Howeer, some of the comments made by bloggers such as “Zsidozas” indicate that this genocidal mentality is not foreign to at least some of your readers and could easily manifest itself under the right circumstances.
Third, a number of comments touched upon my position with the government and urged me to do something to alleviate the sufferings of the Palestinians. Let me assure you that I have absolutely no policy-making role in this administration and do not enjoy witnessing the suffering of the Arab population under Israeli control.
To sum up my views most succinctly, I have come to the realization that the only vialbe solution for worldwide peace and stability is for each nation (ethnic group) to have its own “ethnostate” (the idea put forward by Wilmost Robertson). I recognize the right of European and all other peoples to maintain their own cultural and ethnic identity. As I stated at the beginning of my response, humans are territorial creatures and do not co-exist easily with thsoe perceived as outsiders. I learned that lesson early on in the schoolyard–the best laboratory for studying human behavior in a natural setting.
“Kidnapped children to create a master race.”
I don’t think so. Although it is now undeniable that Israelis kidnap tens of thousands of non-jewish children each year for use in pornography and God knows what else. This isn’t even arguable. This isn’t even counting the countless women kidnapped each year by “Israelis” for use in brothels throughout Israel.
The only group I’ve seen actually implementing any type of large scale eugenics program is the Jews themselves.
The numbers of “thugs” and otherwise in the NA or “Christian Identity” movement pale in comparison to the numbers of thugs in the ADL, SPLC, ACLU, AIPAC, and every other jewish controlled anti-white organization.
I could go on, but it’s easy to get the point.
The defenders of the indefensible always toss in things from the past, some true, a lot of it fantasy, to try and keep people from looking at what’s going on RIGHT NOW. And to provide excuses for the evil being perpetrated right now. By you know who.
To “They Can’t be Honest”
You don’t think my assertion is true about Nazi kidnapping of “Aryan-looking” children? Prove that I’m wrong. Himmloer himself strove for this goal. THE SS was meant to be the core of a future master race. Their “Lebensborn” program is graphic evidence of that.
What is your source for the claim that Israelis are kidnapping girls for use in brothels?
And pray tell, what is “the lot of fantasy” in which I am engaging?
As a follow-up to my reply to “They Can’t be Honest”:
Are you familiar with the Nazi “General Plan Ost?” It outlines just what the German “Kulturvolk” had in mind for the peoples of Eastern Eruope after the anticipated conquest of the USSR up to the Ural Mountains. Forced expulsions, sterilization, “Germanization” of suitable Aryan types (50% in Czechoslovakia, 25% in Bylorussia, 35% in Ukraine, mass kidnapping of children in Poland), not to mention abolishment of education and slave labor for the rest and outright slaughter of unruly subjects.
Do you call that engaging in fantasy? The Nazis kept very meticulous records of their barbaric plans.
Lastly, be good enough to telll me the number of “thugs” in all the Jewish organizations you have listed, as opposed to those in the Chrstian Identity Movement, the KKK, the National Alliance, Stormfront, and other rightwing gangs? I’m not interested in the least in your primitive beliefs, just in hard facts.
Re:Joel Stern – “However, some of the comments made by bloggers such as “Zsidozas” indicate that this genocidal mentality is not foreign to at least some of your readers and could easily manifest itself under the right circumstances.”
Mr Stern — not a single time in my comment or post did I call for the genocide and/or extermination of Jews…NOT ONCE. My mentality is not in any way, shape, or form “genocidal” as I personally abhor wanton violence, so please do not misconstrue it as such. Go back and read my proposal again if you need to, especially after I made a few revisions to it in order to more clearly state my preferred solutions: http://zsidozas.wordpress.com/2009/12/13/a-few-solutions-to-the-international-jewish-problem/
In those proposals or suggestions I call numerous times for “humane solutions” to the international Jewish problem, and I also say that I hope the separation of Jews from Whites can be “peaceful” and “orderly.” Again, I stated this multiple times, and I did not once call for violence, genocide, or anything of that sort, so please do not attribute statements, ideas, or proposed actions to me that I did not make.
Also, remember that I am not formally associated with TOQ or TOO, and thus these suggestions are solely my personal opinion and should not be associated with or tied to any other group, organization, or people. I am an independent writer and researcher who is not at all affiliated with the people who run and write for TOQ/TOO.
@Joel Stern:
You wrote that you “do not support multiculturalism and so-called diversity,” and that you “have absolutely no objectiion to the continuance of European white culture, which has every right to exist regardless of what other ethnic groups or races may think of it.”
Does that mean that you are opposed to non-European mass immigration in the US?
“Their “Lebensborn” program is graphic evidence of that.”
This is a massive distortion of what the great Lebensborn program was about.
Lebensborn was an Orphanage system run by Reichsfuhrer Heinrich Himmler, a great advocate for Aryan youth (and my personal favorite National Socialist), and nothing more. Recall that World War 1 and the Great Depression took a terrible toll on German Society and many were left parent-less during these mass social upheavals.
One should note that Jews often attempt to pathologize healthy social programs under-taken by non-Jews. National Socialists had a great many programs to help people (Lebensborn being one) just as present day Hamas is a big player in distributing aid to oppressed Palestinians. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#Provision_of_social_welfare_and_education )
Zsidozas, the jews will never allow a peaceful separation between European Whites and themselves. They need to parasitize us until “their” work is done in securing Greater Israel. Then they feel there can be separation by immigration, using massive non-white immigration as their tool of genocide against Whites. They feel that technology, mostly developed by Whites (lots of it stolen and sold by Israelis on a large scale) is at the point where they feel they can maintain control over the non-white masses once the Middle East has been secured, without having to use Whites to fight, to invent. I kid you not. As much as they hate us, they realize that if they had not parasitized Western Societies, they’d still be wearing sheets, wandering the Middle East, haggling in bazaars. In fact, I’d bet their knowledge of this dependence actually drives a lot of their hate toward us.
One more Zsidozas, these fraudsters will always put words in your mouth, will outright lie. Others posters have commented on “Hasbara Playbook” tactics. Instead of correcting or coming off as backpedaling, just do the same to this outright liar. His Nazi fantasies are telling. As many have noted, the Jews always accuse others of what the Jews have actually done, and of what the Jews wish to do. From the infamous speech by Rabbi Rabinovich: … Forbid the Whites to mate with Whites. The White Women must cohabit with members of the dark races, the White Men with black women. Thus the White Race will disappear, for the mixing of the dark with the White means the end of the White Man, and our most dangerous enemy will become only a memory. We shall embark upon an era of ten thousand years of peace and plenty, the Pax Judaica, and our race will rule undisputed over the world. Our superior intelligence will easily enable us to retain mastery over a world of dark peoples.
Fortunately the paranoid ravings of Maximus Decimus and his ilk do not reflect the totality of TOO and TOP thinking. I have received some intelligent comments from Tom Sunic, Jonathan Pyle, and Richard Hoste which offer some common ground for mutual understanding and co-existence.
As for my “Nazi fantiasies,” just ask the relatives of the three million slaughtered gentitle Ploles, the twenty million Russians, the hundreds of thousands of butchered Roma, the massacred victims of Lidice, and countless other vicitms of Hitler’s savages whether it is who am fantasziing, or whether you are projecting your own disturbed paranoid psyche onto the reified object of your irrational hatred?
As for Zszidios’ disingenous renuncation of violence and coercion, how does he thnk the banishment and forcible segregation of Jews throughout the world will take place–by plebiscite?. Does he propose administering genetic tests to all populations in Europe, the Americas, Southwest Asia, and North Africa to determine Jewish genetic influence via refined Nuremberg Law criteria? If so, a considerable part of the population of Spain, Italy, the Balkans, and other areas would also have to be forcibly segregated.
A comment for “Heinous Heith”:
Your admiration for Heinrich Himmler, the creator of stud farms for breeding so-called supermen, and kidnapper of thousands of chidren throughout Europe to manifest his insane dream of a racial utopia, only reveals the idepth of your ntellectual vacuity and mortal perversity. I am quite sure you would make a perfect candidate for a concentration camp guard or experimenter in the style of Dr. Mengele.
These guys always call everyone “Nazi” when an inconvenient fact about Jewish behavior or history comes up. It’s the Jews working toward their racial utopia. It’s obvious now. There are many reasons behind WWII, and some of those reasons have to do with what the Jews were doing to Russia and attempting to do in Germany. However, if we accept only the history that has been approved by the people in charge today, it is still no excuse for the genocidal programs that have been put in place by Jews. I certainly don’t know all of the stories behind WWII, but I have done enough research to know that a lot of wild, nearly scifi claims have been made, especially by Jewish groups. A lot of those claims are merely to have something to lob at people who point out Jewish malfeasance. Both sides need to be honest, but so far the Jews have resisted that. By that I mean the Jews who are ostensibly running the show. The “little Jews” probably have no idea of what goes on, but they support what is happening because they do derive benefits (connections for jobs, loans, people to pull strings for college admittance and the like), never mind any innate ethnic drives that would have one support their own over all others, no matter what they are doing.
I looked up the quote from the rabbi listed above, and found the full text of his speech, which it turns out was entered into the congressional record among other things. While the rabbis estimate on how long things would take is a bit off, things are moving along precisely as described in some areas for the most part. One can actually read in more reasons why the zionists hate Putin so much.
Some type of separation is needed, as the rampant ethno-cronyism, nepotism of the Jews will never stop. In my line of work, I see and meet dozens of Jews who should not have the jobs they have if they were not Jewish. It seems as if the Jews cannot help themselves, and will hire a mediocre or completely useless Jewish fellow for a position. If he’s completely awful, they’ll merely have him supported by capable shabbos goy types who will get no credit and be treated poorly to boot (but they’ll hang on believing they’ll be rewarded) or they’ll eventually find a Jewish guy who is capable. But rarely will a gentile be hired for “control” position. At least working in a technical area protects me from a lot of this. That’s why I moved into the field I’m in, although I wasn’t fully grasping all the dynamics of Hollywood at the time.
I called “heinous Heath” (”heinous,” by the way, is a splendid appellaton for someone of his crude mentality) a Nazi because he confesses unabashed admiration for Himmler, one of history’s greatest mass murderers. Ask any Pole, Ukrainian, or Russian of the older generation who remembers the war.
If the moiniker “Nazi” fits, let him wear it, Mr. Bates.
By the way, I’ve met quite a few gentiles who have demonstrated utter incompetence as well. Another case of psychological projection on your part.
Apart from Tom Sunic and a few other intelligent TOO writers who have responded to my initial message, the povety of thought and the level of gross stereotyping on this blog is simply staggering.
Response to a query by Geiseric on Dec. 14
You asked if I was opposed to mass immigration by non-Europeans to the U.S..
I stated early on that I favor the idea of “ethnostates” as being most conducive to social stability and harmony. An unlimited influx of disparate, often conflicting ethnic groups runs totally counter to my line of reasoning. I reached this conclusion from the lessons of history and observation of current events in regions where internethnic strife is rampant (e.g. Sri Lanka, NW China, Burma, Yugoslavia, and Kenya, just to cite a few random examples). So, to the paranoids on this blog who accuse Jews en masse of plottingt genocide against white Europeans, I believe you have every right to maintain your identity and culture in any form as you see fit and to elect a government that will uphold that right.
@Joel Stern.
Thanks for clarifying, Mr. Stern. You’re obviously an intelligent, educated person. So why did you write that letter? To my knowledge, The Occidental Observer does not advocate any anti-Jewish measures.
Why did I write the letter? A very good question.
I kept seeing a constant vicious stream of vituperation in the TOO (and to a lesser extent in the TOQ) regardng alleged Jewish control of the world’s media, financial system, governments, porn industry, academia, entertainment industry, etc. as well as nefarious Jewish plots to subvert and destroy White Christian culture in general.
Well, the Jews that I have know throughout my life are generally ordinary people who are trying to make an honest living and are not hatching schemes to defraud their gentile neighbors. I was incensed by all the crude stereotypes about Jewish “aggressiveness” and other alleged inherent traits, which reminded me of the paranoic bilge in “Der Stuermer.” . I wanted the readers of your media outlets to know that there is at least one Jew who will speak out–not to defend his ethnic kinsmen who have committed evil deeds (which is certainly undeniable and which I very much deplore) but to refute some of the lunacy that passes for intellectual discourse in your circles (read, for example, the comments of one Jason Bates about the dozens of incompetent Jews who would be completely clueless without a “Shabes Goy” to rescue them).
There is much more I could add to this post, but I think that will suffice for now.
What I can’t understand is why you need grotesque hyperbole to make your point. No normal, intelligent person will ever accept the allegation that TOO = Der Sturmer. Some TOO-articles discuss Jewish influence, but they are based on facts, not anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.
One more thing, Mr. Stern. If you don’t believe in collective guilt, why did you play the Nazi-guilt-by-association card in the first round? Are you saying that TOO is somehow responsible for what the SS did in the 1940s?