Kevin MacDonald: Jewish groups oppose Arizona-type laws–except in Israel

Kevin MacDonald: Finding examples of Jewish double standards and hypocrisy vis-à-vis their attitudes about Israel and the US is like shooting fish in a  barrel. But their posturing on the Arizona immigration law is particularly egregious. Not surprisingly, the organized Jewish community has unanimously come out against the Arizona law (”New Arizona law brings renewed attention to immigration reform.“) We’re talking about all the major Jewish organizations:

The new law has been criticized by an array of Jewish groups, including the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, Anti-Defamation League, American Jewish Committee, Simon Wiesenthal Center, National Council of Jewish Women and the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, a public policy umbrella group comprised of the synagogue movements, several national groups and scores of local Jewish communities across North America.

As usual, Gideon Aronoff , head of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, leads the moral posturing by stating,

“Are most of the Latinos who suffer from this law Jewish? The answer is no, but we look at this through the oral commandment of ‘welcome the stranger,’ ” … “We are all Americans, we are all our brothers’ keepers. We have an obligation not to stand by when legislation so harmful is put through.”

The reality is that Jewish support for legal and illegal immigration is hardball ethnic politics where Jews see themselves as part of the emerging non-White coalition. It is motivated by their fear and loathing of the traditional people and culture of America.

The photo accompanying the article likens the Arizona law to (what else?) National Socialist Germany:

The horrors!

But wait. It turns out that Israel enforces laws that allow police to ask people for their papers.  Writing in Mondoweiss, Azaff Oron’s article is titled “Israel has been ‘Arizona’ all along.”

In Israel, laws like the Arizona one – and worse – have been in effect ever since independence. No, I’m not talking about the Occupation, but inside Israel proper.

Any resident sixteen years of age or older must at all times carry an Identity card, and present it upon demand to a senior police officer, head of Municipal or Regional Authority, or a policeman or member of the Armed forces on duty.

And guess against which ethnic group this requirement is enforced most often….

The answer would be: anyone looking like a Palestinian:

The vast majority of their effort is spent profiling, questioning and strip-searching a single target group: Palestinians. Most other security services have more “suspect” ethnic groups to deal with, or they must intercept risks not immediately evident from appearance or other profiling.

It’s a system that works well. Security, even at airports, is lax for people who are obviously Jewish, but is considerably tougher for anyone else.

Perhaps now that the word is out that their favorite country also requires everyone to carry papers, Jewish organizations will decide to back the Arizona law. On the other hand, maybe people like Gideon Aronoff and Abe Foxman will start to put pressure on Israel to change its laws.

And if you believe that, you are living in an alternate universe — one in which the mantra “Is it good for the Jews” has ceased to be the key to understanding Jewish ethics.

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79 Responses to “Kevin MacDonald: Jewish groups oppose Arizona-type laws–except in Israel”

  1. Someday says:

    Jews brand any opposition Nazi and give the impression that Nazis are a serious threat because they want to antagonize and encourage their opposition toward self defeating behavior like joining a false flag operation ( you can guess which flag). Vicious overblown animadversion of Jews or predicting race war is also behavior they’re quite happy to see nationalists indulge in. Of course Jews like to give the impression that they find such tactics difficult to defend against . Don’t you believe it.

    Self Defense

  2. apollonian says:

    “I believe the Jewish “moral leaders” are actually eager and well- prepared for an anti-white race war here in the USA. Why else would they be branding so many whites “Nazi” in the most ridiculous way? Where is this leading us?” -HLN says: May 1, 2010 at 8:13 PM

    * * * * *

    Economic Collapse Is Imminent: But ZOG-Mammon Is Still Reeling In Retreat
    (Apollonian, 2 May 10)

    “HLN”: u bring up (above-quoted) excellent military-strategic question, answer to which, in general terms is easy:

    USA is headed for horrific ECONOMIC catastrophe–NOT mere “disaster.” For we’re ALREADY in for tremendous INFLATION in matter of months (actually we’re already sustaining a steady, but low-level inflation as we speak), headed for HYPER-inflation of Weimar Germany sort, early to mid-20s of previous cent., which paved way for unc’ Adolf, bless his soul.

    Note US Dollar still, amazingly, retains “reserve currency” status–this will not continue–and when Dollar finally, definitive fails, then we’ll literally be in absolute third-world status/conditions. Practially all our industrial manufacturing has been exported–”out-sourced.” Note USA has been DELIBERATELY destroyed and subverted–literally, these are not metaphors.

    So u see therefore, we’re headed for a proverbial “SHOW-DOWN” at the O.K. Corral w. Jews and their suck-alongs (who are actually quite few, all things considered).

    One good thing is when US Dollar fails Jews will lose their vice-like grip over the corrupt politicians and law-enforcement, esp. in local areas. Christian patriots will thrive, our forces AUGMENTED, though in greatly reduced economic circumstances. People will be starving, hustling just to feed themselves, don’t doubt.

    Hence ZOG-Mammon MUST strive to remove our communications, like the mighty INTERNET, which has proved so much their un-doing. Latest Az. immigration law has been CRUSHING BLOW for them (ZOG)–they are un-questionably reeling in retreat and dismay, their calculations shown to be miserably mis-guided for attempted de-moralization of our good volk. 70% support Az.-type law; “amnesty” advocates are literally laughing-stock.

    So for us, Christian volk and patriots, ironically, things are looking up, politically. Still we must continue to CONSOLIDATE internal forces, and that means we must deal with EXTREME PREJUDICE with those vile hereticalists, the “Judeo-Christian” (JC) hereticalists who are PRIMARY “enablers” and chief allies of Jew masterminds and cadre.

    Other notable enemies-of-the-people are such as the secular-type moralist-Pharisaists who preach Pelagianist “good-evil” fallacy/delusion, for example, the Kantians who are soooooooo strong within public education and “academia”–but these are minor compared to JCs. JCs are really the primary enemies, along w. Jews.

    CONCLUSION: So u can see–as long as we retain free Internet we’re going to win, as we’ve been doing (though it may be difficult to see). And note great IRONY is when US Dollar fails, though it will be great economic catastrophe, as I observe, it will actually REDUCE the power of Jews for their hold in corruption over local officials and “law-enforcement.” Economic catastrophe will be great opportunity for “states-rights” general movement and ideal, truly. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

  3. ezra ergo sum says:

    Our God is more powerful thanany of our enemies…GET HUMBLE, ASK FOR MERCY, AND LET HIM RESTORE US TO SANITY

  4. Tom Watson says:

    You are already starting to see the Roman Catholic allies of the Jews in the US Senate lineup i.e. Dick Durbin, Pat Leahy, etc.

    The Roman Catholic & Jew alliance in the US Senate can field at least 36 to 38 votes for any amnesty.

  5. HA says:

    What’s this about predicting race war? Look around you: the war has already begun. Only the Jew-minority side is fighting. Should we fight back, or should we worry some more about what the Jews think?

  6. Someday says:

    Yes, a racial fight to the finish is underway and that’s why we need to worry what our people – not Jews – think about our rhetoric. To stand a chance of winning we to get ordinary as yet uncommitted whites lining up with us on the side of their own interests.

    Talking about race war is a sure fire way of losing the real conflict; the one which is being fought for the hearts and minds of of our people.

  7. apollonian says:

    Strategic Objective Must Be ISOLATING Jews, Criminal Conspirators–NOT In-Fighting Among/Btwn Races
    (Apollonian, 2 May 10)

    “Someday”: Get it straight, comrade: basic fundamental cultural/political battle/conflict is that beginning btwn TRUTH vs. lies, this converting to OBJECTIVE reality (Western Culture), necessary criterion of TRUTH, vs. subjectivism (Talmudism), basis of lies, fraud, etc.

    Hence it IS NOT battle of races–except against the Jew, basically and fundamentally. We need Jew-Expulsion, and for this we need a great Christian consolidation, rationalist Christian, all gentiles, white AND non-white being tolerant of overall Christian leadership and cultural unity, united against Jews and their lies, in exemplary style of St. Constantine the Great.

    Note then again Christian aesthetic upholds Aristotelian objectivity, hence reason, science, rule-of-law, etc., AGAINST Jew-led and -oriented subjectivism, moralism-Pharisaism, hystericism, mysticism, and fascism.

    Hence, in most immediate practical terms, battle is against the Jew-led CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY of “bankers”-COUNTERFEITERS at top, these including suck-alongs as I’ve specifically identified.

    It is precisely Jew OBJECTIVE to induce gentiles infighting among races, esp. whites against non-whites, thus ISOLATING whites–relieving Jews of precisely such ISOLATION–as BNP disaster in Britain/UK WHICH Americans MUST AVOID most crucially and urgently.

    Hence it is NOT A “RACIAL FIGHT TO FINISH” as u falsely and perniciously indicate, u always doing work of ur Jew-masters with ur spinning, manipulation, and deflection.

    CONCLUSION: Note 5th Commandment of original Ten reminds of simple common-sense loyalty owed to race, ancestors, people, and culture (”Honor thy race” [parentage])–and this is well understood by all races who simply observe basic Christian virtue of HONESTY in accord w. highest Christian value of TRUTH. So Christian unity and rationalist ideal is quite sufficient for racial preservation and security of all volk, including whites. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

  8. Mark says:

    Appollonian, I agree wholeheartedly with you in theory. I am Catholic and certainly believe in Truth over Race, but Truth is so far gone it seems that race is the only thing left. You can’t get 10 “Christians” to agree on anything but you can get people to see that other races seem to have a self-interest that appears to be contrary to white self-interest. I’d like to think a pure Truth can conquer all. But now I think now it takes a race to create a Truth to begin with. It seems like whites are the only people able to fundamentally drop the racial line. But that just may be my bias.

    It’s too late to regain Truth, man. Survival first, Truth later.

  9. Mark says:

    Also, the Jews know that a Truth strong enough to compete with their own cannot survive in a multicultural society.

  10. apollonian says:

    Truth As Ideal Is Non-Negotiable
    (Apollonian, 2 May 10)

    “Mark”: I must say, u’re text is quite muddled for clarity and meaning: U HAVE NO CHOICE REGARDING TRUTH, period. U make little sense. Jews are the enemy, and no one else, but for dupes among other races who are minority within those races.

    Thus u and we MUST keep the ultimate ENEMY, Jews, clearly within target-sights and NOT relieved fm this necessary targeting and ISOLATION.

    And don’t forget, u cannot include Jews as “white”–simply in interest of logic and common sense. For Jews cannot be white anymore than mestizos and mulattos.

    CONCLUSION: U must not let urself be literally reduced to absurd in eyes of everyone, white and non-white–just for Jew funds–never forget that’s all (MONEY) that’s behind pretending these disgusting hook-nose monstrosities are “white.” Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

  11. B.E. in L.A. says:

    I have to admit I get a chuckle over Jewish groups feigning anger at “Pres.” Obama’s “anti-Israel” policies. EVERYTHING is a show for the goyim, with the Jews enacting their version of the “good-cop / bad-cop routine. People really do need to take a step back and look at literally everything in the MSM and ask “How does it benefit the Jews?” Such is the same with these jew instigated rallies against the AZ immigration laws. It’s also the same game going in the video linked in an earlier post showing the World’s Ultimate Hypocrites play-acting in a rally “against” Obama. A show for the goyim who might all of a sudden notice the Mulatto in Chief is surrounded by nothing but power-mad Ashkenazi Supremacists like Emanuel and Orszag.

    The Jews seek to strengthen their alliances with non-whites, yet they fail to see how shaky those so-called alliances are, especially with hispanics. The hispanic leadership is as maniacal as Jewish leadership in terms of wanting control and will simply turn and bite Abe’s grubby, fat fingered, thieving hands when they feel they have a chance at full control. The Jews arrogance always ends up biting them on their collective ass.

    The Jews are not going to want to give up their control of so many levers of powers in the US or the West without a fight. Not being a fighting people, despite their legends and made up history that depict otherwise, they have done and continue to engage in heavy work when it comes to making sure non-whites hate whites and blame us for any and all misfortune that has befallen them over the ages. All in the hopes of trying to create an army to do the fighting for the Jews if the time comes. The Jews then try to squeeze themselves in with these wretches as part of “the struggle”, claiming to be another horribly treated minority group, spinning tales of woe, and always pulling various non-white leaders and business men aside with “… psst, we’re not white either. Really. We want to work with you to topple these WASP bastards,” or other remarks along these lines. I know this to be true as just like others have written, several non-whites have told me of Jews making these types of remarks to them, while these same Jews would publicly proclaim themselves to be white. They tell the non-whites it’s simply their way of being able to take advantage, a tactic, a game. I have no doubt these people were telling me the truth. They were Asian and latino and worried about what they see happening, and aware enough to see the Jews as the root of the problem. But these people were in the minority within their own “minority” groups, although most hispanic immigrants thankfully see the “pinche judios” as something not to be trusted. Most whites need to regain that attitude.

    As far as the non-whites who told me about the jews speaking out of one side of their mouths to them, despite their candor, I realize it’s best for them to go to their own lands and help their own people run their affairs while the Jews run for the hills.

    Israel? One can only hope that the rest of the semitic peoples throughout the Middle East, real semites loll, unite enough to send in 300,000 suicide bombers – and I’m only being partially facetious. Let the Supremacists beat their chests over their “Samson Option”. Once things collapse here and are in Reconstitution Mode, the rest of the world may decide it’s time to call Israel’s bluff and let the chips fall where they may for the good of future generations, giving these monsters, this tribe that is the true cancer of human history, a taste of their own medicine.

  12. Mark says:

    Appollonian, I don’t believe Jews are white and I don’t know what you find “muddled” about my post. You’re arguing everyone against the Jews. I’m arguing whites for whites. A war against the Jews is the most risky buisiness a culture can engage in. They never forget, they lust for revenge, they are relentless and they are extremely powerful. All I’m saying is whites for whites, let the chips fall where they may. However, you’re right about not being able to separate survival from Truth.

  13. Glen says:

    Exactly how many Mexican immigrants does Israel accept each year? Or Africans or Asians or Europeans? NONE! That organised Jewry has the hide to chastise Arizona while Israel enforces its own Nuremberg laws takes the breath away. Come to think it this applies to most individual Jews too. Take philosopher Peter Singer – political radical, multiculturalist and anti-White and anti-Christian crusader. So how does he manage his personal affairs? Married to a Jew, with Jewish children who are also married to Jews.

  14. Zigmund Frodo says:

    Mark, the jews simply lust to destroy whites or anyone else who is successful in any way. If they have nothing to avenge, they’ll simply make something up and in no time the entire ashkenazi hive will believe it as if it were true. It’s the way they are. A war against the jews is the only way out. That’s the way it goes. We didn’t start it. They did. They always do.

  15. apollonian says:

    “A war against the Jews is the most risky buisiness a culture can engage in. They never forget, they lust for revenge, they are relentless and they are extremely powerful.” -Mark says: May 2, 2010 at 8:42 PM

    * * * * *

    Gentile Folk Must Face Truth, Be Honest, Thus Gaining Courage And Victory
    (Apollonian, 3 May 10)

    “Mark”: u need merely analyze the historical-political (cultural) circumstances regarding estimation of “risk” against Jew psychopaths and criminals.

    And u cannot fail to destroy and strive to destroy such psychopathic criminals and monstrous mass-murderers–otherwise they will, obviously, destroy u and us and everything–there’s NO CHOICE, in all reason.

    Thus note these Jew monsters have “feet of clay”–they depend ABSOLUTELY upon accomplices and dupes–esp. the KEY hereticalists, “Judeo-Christians” (JCs) who say (falsely) Christ was Jew (Talmudist), and who act as Jews’ indispensable “enablers” among dear Christian volk who are thus betrayed by their leaders who preach such heresy.

    Further, and additionally, Jews absolutely depend upon criminal financial instrument of Fed COUNTERFEITING by which then they control everything else about the economy and culture. Thus u and we need merely REMOVE this criminal enterprise and instrument.

    So note Jew power is totally DEPENDENT upon deluded, bemused, distracted gentiles who give Jews ALL their criminal power by default, not understanding they are thus horribly betrayed. It really is matter of psychology and education, and Jew power is EASILY destroyed–as we see in history fm all the various Jew-Expulsions.

    Thus people need merely (a) snap out of this distractedness they suffer, their minds caught-up in ABSTRACTIONS dis-connected fm CONCRETE reality–as in case of Fed COUNTERFEITING.

    CONCLUSION: (b) And similarly, as Christians, folks must simply remind themselves Christianity is SUPPOSED to be ANTI-SEMITIC (anti-Talmud, as Gosp.s MARK 7:1-13 and MATT 15:3-9), Christ was NOT “Jew” (Talmudist), and if u’re NOT anti-semitic, u can’t be and aren’t Christian, pilgrim. Honest elections and death to the Fed.

  16. L.Rudolf says:

    In Europe we’ve been searching for, who is pushing this policy of mass-immigration. People have never decided about that, it is going on in all countries up to Scandinavia and destroying our cultures and social systems and definitively the older generation had refused this as well as multi-culti carnival. So the media talked about refugees, that had to be saved from the fabricated Yugo-war, the Turk-Kurdish conflict and so on. Anyone opposing was painted as Neonazi who wants to burn asylum-houses. The elders’ opinion was defamed as racist by the Frankfurt school anyways (see K.MacDonald’s Culture of critique Chap.5) Meanwhile masses from other cultures are everywhere.

    Who is pushing this immigration? Some found the ideas of freemason Couldenhove-Kalergi: to create a mixed mulatto-race with the Jews as pure aristocratic race ruling. But that was in the 1920s.. here in diff. languages also at wikipedia..
    http://balder.org/zed/couen

    But now in this case: the people in Arizona decide to end mass-invasion and the illegal chaos of immigrants — now the Zionist- Jewish Orgs and their liberal tools and media are so embarassed obviously, that the gojim cattle want to decide themselves who belongs to Arizona, so infuriated that they come out from their hiding – as the article counts also, e.g. here at http://www.adl.org/civil_rights/immigration.asp
    12 reports, 2 court cases, 5 speeches, 4 policy statements, 7 press releases, 2 edu-releases, and so on – (as to today) e.g.:
    Codewords of Hate
    In this 2008 video produced by the National Council of La Raza, ADL’s Stacy Burdett discusses the how some media commentators, pundits and others have fueled the scapegoating and demonizing of immigrants, and particularly Hispanics, as part of the national debate over immigration reform.

    only that LaRaza, as some said, will not be too friendly to Jews when power is concerned…
    btw.: is an ID-card fascism?, as they claim, it was like the yellow star, Jews had to wear (!).. if it helps to identify illegals – we have ID-cards to carry in most of EU countries since a long time and – in the 1970s, even for a single person it was not allowed to enter India, Arab countries or Australia without visa or to overstay…

  17. CompassionateFascist says:

    Tom Watson dumping on Catholics again. Actually, Senate passage of amnesty for mestizos has nothing to do with religion, and TWs #s are rediculous. Corporate-Wall Street Jewcrowd wants wetbacks legalized to further sweat the labor supply, while Jewish and Jewized Left wants same in order to import anti-White revolution and race-war. “36-38″ votes for Amnesty? Actually, there’s 59 already: Jews and Jew-stooge Democrats, both Protestant and Catholic. And whther the one Republicrat vote they’ll need to put it over comes from a Prot or a Cath doesn’t make a fig’s difference. TW, you need to stop fighting the Thirty Years War – your guys won – and think more about fighting an anti-Jew war.

  18. Tom Watson says:

    @ CompassionateFascist

    You are obviously a Roman Catholic in denial—and that ain’t a river.

    The thing that I find the most interesting is that the Roman Catholics in Congress will vote with the Jews even when it is against perceived Roman Catholic interest!

    On anything realting to Israel—all of the Roman Catholics’ in the House and Senate usually vote 100% for the Jewish agenda.

    As far as your Mexican/Latino/Hispanic co-religionists your Roman Catholic church wants them here…tell it to Cardinal Mahony! LOL.

  19. apollonian says:

    Christianity: A Very Powerful Weapon If Only Understood
    (Apollonian, 5 May 10)

    “Tom”: “Compassionate…” is absolutely right in my view–even though u’re also right for limited observation upon the traitorous scum in Congress.

    “Tom”: get it straight–Jews got the Fed COUNTERFEIT machine/racket/operation working for them which provides almost literally INFINITE funds. And this racket will continue until the final reduction-to-absurd of HYPER-inflation, which experts forecast won’t come for couple yrs yet.

    Thus Jews can instantaneously come up with–u name it–a million dollars, or even more, a shot, if necessary for any particular vote. Additionally, they have the stick too–assassination by MOSSAD–like they did, evidently, even to one of their own, Wellstone, late Sen. fm Minnesota.

    There in NO “Christian” establishment church, Protestant or Catholic, not in pay of Jews, presently–NONE. The only Christian resistance must come fm such as u and me–and like dear Pastor Carlson at Whtt.org, who provides magnificent example, even though he’s sooooo tame for his criticism. Another Christian hero is Ted Pike at TruthTellers.org.

    Even if one ISN’T “Christian,” we can still do definite and highly effective things–simply by, for example, like Pastor Carlson, making impression at “Judeo-Christian” (JC–see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for expo/ref.) places, reminding folks Christ WAS NOT not not a “Jew,” Jew necessarily defined as Talmudist, which can be confirmed fm any authority, Christian OR Jew.

    And Jews are NOT NOT NOT same as “Judean” or Israelite, for similar reason as I give above, only maybe 5-15% of Judeans of the time of Christ followers of Pharisees.

    Patriots really need to start getting out to doing something–striking at JC places is EASY thing to do, VERY EFFECTIVE, as remember these JCs are Jews’ absolute most KEY allies and supporters, running most effective “interference” for Jews, intimidating practically ALL other Christians, so relatively un-organized.

    CONCLUSION: Don’t doubt Christianity is DESIGNED to be anti-semitic (anti-Talmud, as Gosp.s MARK 7:1-13 and MATT 15:3-9), its very basic, essential purpose–in honor of TRUTH (Gosp. JOHN 14:6) against Jew lies (JOHN 8:44) and conspiracy. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

  20. Severus says:

    OO readers,

    The real power of the Purebloods lies with the fact that they have a way of reducing everything in any Western nation down to two things: (a) Nazism and (b) race. Thus, even if a debate, policy, or measure has absolutely nothing to do with Purebloods, Nazis, the Holocaust, and/or race; the Purebloods will make sure it does. This, in turn, neutralizes and/or haults any efforts to actually say anything that might possibly offend, or to get anything done (which is, BTW, inherent of the parliamentary system itself).

    If the Purebloods continue to “win” by means of reducing everything we say and do to Nazism and race, then nothing will ever get done — ever. This is why it is so important to (a) address, resolve, and undermine the LIES associated with Nazi Germany and Pureblood suffering in WW II; and (b) help non-whiteskinned folks understand that anti-immigration is not a race issue; it’s strictly a law issue meant to secure the jobs and safety of the citizens of this country. No one is telling Mexican folks they can’t become American citizens, or that they are unwelcome here because of their race; only that they cannot come to America *illegally*, which necessarily entails skirting taxes and not paying one’s fair share.

    One simply cannot overemphasize the devastating effect that Pureblood anti-Nazi propaganda and lies have had on Western policy making — whether foreign or domestic. Not enough people understand this direct connection between past and present. I mean it when I say that until this is addressed and genuinely overcome, we will remain in the midst of an immigration impasse.

    Sectum Sempra

  21. Severus says:

    halts, not haults

  22. Severus says:

    One more post…for inspirational purposes only (cut and paste URL below or on my name). ;)

    http://virtualseverussnape.org/Audio/Unbreakable-Sabaton.mp3

  23. mark says:

    Severus said:
    May 7, 2010 at 1:47 PM

    “No one is telling Mexican folks they can’t become American citizens, or that they are unwelcome here because of their race;…”

    I AM!!!!

  24. mark says:

    Severus said:
    May 7, 2010 at 1:47 PM

    “b) help non-whiteskinned folks understand that anti-immigration is not a race issue; it’s strictly a law issue meant to secure the jobs and safety of the citizens of this country.”

    It’s a race issue and nothing but a race issue!

    I don’t care how many Germans, Swedes, Norwegians, or Danes come to the USA and I don’t care if they have a visa or passport. I don’t care how long they stay and they can work all they want with no work permit.

    The only anti-immigration laws I’m interested in are the ones that keep non-whites out—and that would include Jews.

  25. Severus says:

    Mark,

    I’m afraid your mindset is no match for Jewry.

    Sectum Sempra

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