Kevin MacDonald: Frank Salter is a giant in the intellectual defense of White identity and interests. His book On Genetic Interests is a breakthrough in providing a rigorous conception of ethnic interests based on evolutionary theory and modern research in genetics and the social sciences.
Salter has just published a wonderful article in Quadrant, an Australian neocon publication (“On misguided advocates of open borders“). It is a masterpiece of elegant argumentation and a complete trashing of his professorial opponent, the unfortunate Mirko Bagaric, who seems almost ludicrously unaware of the most basic academic literature bearing on the issue. The good news is that it’s an excellent introduction to Salter’s thinking–much recommended.
Prof. Bagaric believes that all the world’s ills could be solved if the poor people were allowed to immigrate to places like Australia. Instantly world poverty would be solved! What’s not to like?
Salter lists the downsides to this idea–all of which apply equally well to other Western societies similarly bent on open borders self-destruction. Diversity is associated with “reduced democracy, slowed economic growth, falling social cohesion and foreign aid, as well as rising corruption and risk of civil conflict.” Ethnic diversity is also associated with “reduced public altruism or social capital, evident in falling volunteerism, government welfare for the aged and sick, public health care and a general loss of trust. Ethnic diversity is second only to lack of democracy in predicting civil war. Globally it correlates negatively with governmental efficiency and prosperity.”
Critically, he points to “invidious ethnic stratification” as an inevitable result: “No one likes to be ruled over by a different ethnic group or to see his own people worse off than others. The result is resentment or contempt, depending on the perspective taken.”
Ethnocentrism is not a White disorder and evidence is emerging that immigrant communities harbour invidious attitude towards Anglo Australians, disparaging their culture and the legitimacy of their central place in national identity.
Sound familiar? These are all the things that Westerners can look forward to as they become minorities in the societies they built and dominated for hundreds of years. This resentment and contempt will produce enormous unrest in Western societies, and ultimately it will result in violence directed at White people perpetrated by ethnic groups with deep historical grudges against their erstwhile benefactors.
Salter also emphasizes the general point that everyone has rights and interests. People who argue for open borders argue solely from the rights and interests of people who (naturally) want to go to a place where they have a higher standard of living. They never take the perspective of the natives. Egocentrism writ large. As Salter argues, the open borders movement is profoundly immoral.
The other consistent strand of Salter’s thinking is that this horrifying state of affairs has resulted from the domination of elite forms of discourse by advocates for open borders among academic, media, and political elites.
The egregious standard of analysis behind open borders advocacy is not an aberration. It is deeply embedded at the elite level of Australian political culture. The problem lies with an influential tradition well established within the universities and intellectual class as a whole. … The rapid transformation of Australia by mass Third World immigration has been a top-down revolution in which exclusivist politicised circles within academia have been complicit by commission and omission.
There are other factors as well. For example, Salter points to a collusion of self-censorship on immigration by self-interested politicians bent on obtaining support from immigrant constituencies.
But the role of elite academics should never be underestimated. Not one Australian academic stood up to point out the shoddiness of Bagaric’s arguments. The revolution in the academic world that toppled Darwinian social science in favor of erecting the culture of critique is critical to the demise of White nation states. In my view, this revolution was at its core an ethnic revolution, resulting from the rise of a Jewish intellectual elite, Jewish ownership and influence in the media, and Jewish influence on the political process. It is not surprising that the revolution that caused the impending increase in ethnic hatred and conflict in Western societies was itself the result of ethnic hatred and conflict.
The power and rigor of Salter’s ideas are a huge asset in combating the suicidal tide sweeping all White countries.
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Dorothea,
While I agree with you that the “science” of global warming — scientific fraud through and through – makes a mockery of the scientific method,
there IS a pro-White argument for environmentalism — just not the hooey the lefties propagate. Pro-White environmentalism is more correctly called “conservation.”
BP’s disaster is due to the fact that they are drilling in exceedingly difficult conditions, under 5000 ft of water and then 30000 more feet, below the ocean bottom. The pressures are inconceivable. We are trying to drilll in an environment at the very edge of our technical ability — and, ooooops, tipped over.
But the reason BP is drilling far offshore is because the easy-to-get oil is tapped out.
Rational pro-White environmentalism would have us looking for OTHER sources of energy. For instance: Matt Simmons — author of Twilight in the Desert, which makes the case the Sauds DON’T have the oil reserves they say they do, that in fact Ghawar is in decline, which means Peak Oil is upon us — is the founder of Ocean Energy Institute.
Ocean energy, in the forms of offshore windmills, turbines in the Gulf Stream and others, can “crack water” for the hydrogen, bond it to nitrogen to make ammonia which can be burnt in passenger car internal combustion engines, with far less devastating effects that massive oil spills because we are trying to get oil that is so deep the pressures overwhelms the blowout preventers.
The global warming concept, fraud thought it is, may just provide us with the final straw to cause the collapse we need to get our country back. Here’s why: Offshoring of manufacturing to China is based on very low transportation costs; i.e., cheap, abundant petroleum. If cheap diesel is no longer available for ocean-going ships carrying the junk toasters to us from China, the idea of cheap labor in China for production of goods for U.S. markets loses its economic viability.
Which means production must return home. Which means we have an opportunity to rebuild the old ideas of White yeoman farmers and small self-employed manufacturers — which means WE can opt out of the Jew-run globalist/financial engineering shenanigans/consumerist anti-White scheme. Which means the White-genocidalist Jews lose, and WE win, in the end.
Barb,
At present, all energy alternatives have to be subidised and I detest Governments taking my tax money and investing it in unprofitable industries to enrich the pockets of their unscruplous allies. Windmills are so medieaval.
If an alternative energy source was viable, believe you me, capitalist entrepreneurs would risking their own money to develop it.
As the original founder of Greenpeace said environmental movement has been hi-jacked by anti-capitalist fascists; in other words communists.
Why did all our factories go to China?Because environmental legislation made it too expensive for companies to operate in the USA I’m sure all those longterm unemployed in Pitsburgh would trade some pollution for a steady job.
I don’t believe in peak oil. I do believe that human ingenuity freed from bureaucratic restictions allied with Divine Providence enables us to solve all our problems
Dorothea, consider:
U.S. used to be a petroleum exporter when Texas and WY fields were young. Those fields reached peak production in the 70s, and despite the bilions of research dollars spent on tertiary recovery, those fields have only declined since.
As a result, we are dependent on foreign oil — which is to say, we are dependent on oil from the Middle East being shipped through the Straits of Hormuz. One of the arguments the neocons have used to insist why OUR TAX DOLLARS, to the tune of $3 billion a year in foreign aid, plus untold amounts more in the form of wink-wink loans, should be sent to Israel is so we can “have an unsinkable aircraft carrier’ to keep the oil flowing from the Middle East through the Straits of Hormuz.
IF we could end our reliance on foreign oil, we could tell the Middle East, including Israel, to go pound sand and save those tax dollars. Those saved tax dollars could go a very long way to promoting Affordable White Family Formation and boosting the White birthrate.
Your tax dollars, because of the oil in the Middle East we think we need so bad, are subsidizing your very dispossession.
Windmills offshore work because the wind blows, essentially, constantly.
No, venture capitalists have NOT jumped on offshore windmills because they (being largely Jewish, and thus pro-Israel, knowing which side their bread is buttered on) do NOT want America to be energy-self-sufficient. (And because, up to now, the cheapest energy has come from giant Ghawar — but with it in decline, that will change.)
Apologies for being off-topic but,
What is up with Edgar Steele being charged in a murder-for-hire? Is this a credible story? Knowing the enemies he has it’s hard not to believe he was set up. The story I read paints him hatefully using all the usual cliches, e.g., supporting hate groups, white supremicist, and judging from comments people are typically wanting him burned at the stake. It really stinks of a jewish set-up. Sadly it makes me think there aren’t many out there supporting white racial consciousness or even caring to consider it.
Barb and Dorothea. I respect your opinions however I still remain unconvinced that man made climate change is a hoax. Just like there is a powerful Jewish elite in the United States there is probably a powerful WASP elite who’s power is consolidated around corporate ownership. Criticism of the Corporate agenda is common in Jewish liberal circles and some of this criticism may be indeed warranted. With that in mind we should at least consider the possibility that the science of man made climate change is threatening to a corporate elite’s sense of power and superiority just as evolutionary psychology threatens the sensibilities of the Jewish elite. If this science of climate change is indeed a threat to the corporate elite we would expect a backlash. Just a hypothesis.
Well, Rick,
Whether the postulated climate change, IF actually occurring, and IF actually occuring in the direction of warming, and IF actually occuring due to human activity, is true or false…
is a moot point, anyway. Solve for Peak OIl, you automatically solve for carbon emissions. The solutions to Peak Oil are: nuclear power for cities and electrified trains for goods transport, and ocean energy-generated liquid fuels for passenger cars. These things, chosen because they are fully implementable and scalable, just so happen to be carbon-emission free.
Criticism of the Corporate agenda is common in Jewish liberal circles
Should read:
Criticism of gentile owned Corporate agenda is common in Jewish liberal circles
You don’t hear much criticism of Jewish owned business and business practices. In fact when Rolling Stone had articles on Goldman Sachs they were, of course, accused of anti semitism.
Barb you have a good point, and I agree we will eventually have to deal with peak oil. As far as climate change, if it is a reality we might have to deal with a huge influx of environmental refugees into the United States. I think it is an issue we should look at seriously. I’d like to create a better planet/America for our children, not a third world cesspool and on that I’m sure we are on the same page. Children need a healthy environment to play in, explore, hunt, and develop an appreciation for the natural world. I also think natural space is important to the psychological well being of European whites.
Response to “me”: Although I think the Rolling Stone is Jewish owned they do have good articles. In the June 24th issue of Rolling Stone they have an interesting story about the Obama administrations cozy relationship with big oil and BP. You make a valid point that Jewish liberals are less apt to criticize Jewish own businesses. Thanks for the response.
Someday
“Why is it that when you get to a certain level in society – say upper middle class – the extreme liberals are in such a majority?”
Education acts as a gateway to the upper middle class and aims to block heretics. Many of the conservative upper middle class will have entered via a non social science route.
The proportion of the upper middle class involved in some way with the state has massively increased. In the past a much larger proportion would be involved in private business and have a world-view that matched. Left-liberalism is its own reward. It both creates the social sciences and creates endless jobs for people with social science degrees.
The set of ideas promoted in the social sciences and later incorporated into all the softer degrees were designed to weaken the group cohesion and ethno-centricity of white people to the advantage of jews. The strategy was very successful hence disproportionate large numbers of very liberal jews in the upper middle class.
I do think there’s another explanation as well. What are the components of a jewish left-liberal? If you imagine someone who feels separate from and cleverer than the bulk of the population they live among and if that person also feels a certain hostility to, or at least lack of empathy with, that population it might easily lead them to take contrary positions to whatever the population believes as a form of quiet aggression.
So i think there’s definitely a “type” of high IQ, low empathy, personality that would create a left-liberal caste of cultural critiquers independently.
@Dorothea,
It’s not only Scandinavian countries where White men have become wimps. It seems to have occurred in all White countries.
The after effects of those two monstrous world wars is the best theory I can come up with. The real winners finally got to steal Palestine, gain complete control of our cultures, etc, etc, and we got . . . what?
It is only since the advent of the Internet that any useful information on the gradual displacement of Whites in all their countries has become freely available to any White person with the inclination to search for it. The mainstream disinformation media is never going to tell us the truth on that topic (and many others, of course), and anyone who thinks the traitors posing as our elected representatives are going to tell us the truth, is living in an alternate universe.
So we are being displaced around the world, not only in Scandinavian countries, and where are the White men standing up against their coming irrelevance? Doing sensitivity training courses?
The only opposition I am aware of is among we the ‘keyboard warriors’, and that’s not much opposition at all, really. And an unattractive (and most likely infiltrated) community group here and there, e.g. BNP.
I’d like to see someone write an essay on the ultimate futility of keyboard warriorism. It’s a thought I’d rather not dwell on, but it too has a sense of wimpishness about it.
Oh well, must run, it’s time for my Wonders of Diversity training course.
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Barb, I forgot to thank you for bringing up the Gulf Coast Oil Spill, it’s a very serious event that needed to be addressed and you did an excellent job.
@Dorothea
Patronizing? It’s in the DNA, you Jew-hater.
Seriously, I love the discussion here – if KM needs a big poster advertising this site, you can put my schnozzle on it and say “Jewish Recommended” and I’ll give you a wide cunning grin sporting my big golden teeth and my stubby thumps enthusiastically pointing up.
First, it’s great, this Peon to a Jew like Salter. You guys seemed to have missed the reference, but then when it suits you, the Jew is suddenly your best friend.
And no Dorothy, Rick is no idiot. He made a very solid and good suggestion to you lame bunch (I mean you and L, not the others here, because they actually are smart). Let me translate what he says:
here’s a hint to hobos, if you want to stop immigration, try the environmental movement and their arguments. You might find it surprisingly effective.
@Aaron.
I don’t exactly appreciate how you’ve been called a philospher and pooh-poohed.
I think you made a great point.
However, I disagree with you – I think you are wrong to seperate genetics from ethnics and biology. Your assumption is that they can be seperated, and this is the wrong assumption. They are part and parcel. One example:
you breed with a nigger. Your kid is half stupid. Now you see a nice hook-nose like me and you skipping as he does his zemiros- his little peysot swinging in the wind – la la la la baruch atah adonoi. now you get a sudden urge, a tick, whatever – you’ve got a shot gun and you gotta kill one of these buggers.
One half-idiot, has 50% genes of the Chosen (Levi’s jeans…not enough to undo the nigger part), another 100% – you’ve got a tick – drum roll please, with a bit of music from Bad, Good, and the Ugly. You’re doing the triple dance – who do you shoot?
Aaron, the zemiros guy is closer to you genetically, than the mulatto. There’s your family, biology, genetics and ethnics all tied into one.
Now you don’t know Zemiros boy, and yet you are unlikely to simply pull the trigger on him. Yet your half-idiot, is right there.
Now if you think you get the picture – don’t rush. Here’s the point: inverse the kids, and see how quickly you’ll pull the trigger.
Consider this a brilliant analogy by yours truly.
Clap clap clap for the patronizing scum.
You guys seemed to have missed the reference, but then when it suits you, the Jew is suddenly your best friend.
Sir, do you think if the organized jewish community (as represented by teh jewish elite, media, ADL, WJC, etc) behaved like Salter that most of us would have a problem? And no sensible person would hate Salter just because he was jewish.
Do you think are objections are because you guys wear funny hats and read the bible backwards??
Come on, as repeatedly said the Jewish elite -supports liberal open border policies – both neocons and the left – and in turn support a jewish identity state. Find a WASP elite person who does the same to protect his own ingroup -
AJ,
I’m starting to think you’re a teenage boy who ought to be studying his algebra, not playing on the computer.
Whites are under siege. We don’t need “friends” like you who suggest we go around shooting random half-breeds.
Really, you beg us for acceptance because you’re half-White, you say. But it seems your purpose in coming here — and maybe your entire reason for living, for all I know — is to insult us.
In respect for your White half, assuming you really have one, here’s a bit of helpful advice:
Read the book by Dale Carnegie: How to Win Friends and Influence People.
Go read it, and let us grownups talk.
Daybreaker says:
Der weiße Engel says: “Reducing the question of EGI to essentials, either you are unconditionally for preserving the White race as it currently exists, with all its warts and blemishes, or you are not. If you are not, then the fact that you may mean well with all your list of putative “improvements” doesn’t make you any less of an exterminationist.”
Edmund Burke had the opposite view: that which is without the means of amending itself is without the means of conserving itself.
That might be true of forms of government, but in the context of eugenics, this Burkean rhetorical flourish makes about as much sense as the Vietnam-era phrase “It was necessary to destroy the village in order to save it.” Once you accept changing White genetics for any reason, the game is lost. Re-engineering the White genome means that you accept, in principle, that preserving the White race as it currently exists is not desirable. It would mean that for you, race is not the highest value, but some other thing.
Catch 22: The White genome is changing all the time anyway as the environment changes. The only way to hold it constant would be to completely control selection pressures, and the only way to do that, if it’s even possible, would be to impose a cultural stasis backed by a totalitarianism almost beyond imagining.
If a fatal flaw in your operating system has been discovered and is being exploited to destroy your system, patching it is not “exterminationist” and leaving the gate open till your system is reduced to ruin is not “conserving” anything.
But here you are making the assumption that redesigning White genetics is the only possible response. That’s not the case. You could kill the attacker, for example. If we rule that out for some reason, in the instant case of Jews and Whites, the higher Jewish ethnocentrism most likely would be defended against by discovering its genetic basis, and modifying the White genome to incorporate the corresponding changes; i.e., making Whites more like Jews. But in my view, making Whites genetically Jewier isn’t a good option. If you think that’s desirable, you may as well do it the old-fashioned way.
“Once you accept changing White genetics for any reason, the game is lost. Re-engineering the White genome means that you accept, in principle, that preserving the White race as it currently exists is not desirable.”
I think you are starting to lose your grasp of the issue at hand, which for most White Nationalists is to preserve our White genepool as it exists now to the extent that is possible.
At this point, talk of re-engineering the genome is equivalent to planning for the development of the Warp drive, boldly exploring the galaxy and having space battles with Klingons. In other words, it is science fiction/fantasy. For one thing, there are a lot of problems with it, including the lack of research and testing being done to develop it, and the major barriers to human testing (testing on babies tends to outrage the population of advanced nations). This very complicated endeavor might very well be beyond the capability of human science (many things are). However, even if such technology was invented (the ability to reliably move around human genes), the people who have children are overwhelmingly not interested in it (especially as it is the religious people doing most of the procreation). People have many options today for affecting their children, such as choosing the gender of their children (or using a sperm bank), and very few people choose those options.
The expectation that the human genome is going to change drastically by re-engineering or some other unorthodox manner is ill-founded, because it is very unlikely, at least in the foreseeable future (and I mean the next century). Therefore, planning for the future based on this type of fantastical scenario is unwise.
“Catch 22: The White genome is changing all the time anyway as the environment changes.”
While the genome is no doubt undergoing change, these are fairly small changes. Humans today are very similar to those of the medieval and ancient world. Whatever changes have happened have not been very dramatic. If your DNA was compared to that of your medieval ancestors, we wouldnt see a whole lot of difference. Similarly, the most probable future outcome is that if you had any descendants that existed a few centuries from now, they would also be very genetically and phenotypically similar to you (assuming there is no interbreeding with non-Whites).
As a side note, you represent the success of your distant ancestors in pursuing their genetic interests. You are the only thing that they have left behind, just about everything else they worked for or built is now broken, gone or lost. The least that the current generation can do is carry on this achievement, leaving behind another generation that will carry the torch, and doing what is possible to safeguard their future (allowing them to face a new Zimbabwe by bequeathing them a multicultural US is probably not responsible).
Our responsibility, and our goal should be, to accomplish what all the previous generations of Whites have been able to do, which is to keep the line going. No one is trying to achieve an exact stasis in the genome, but we are trying to keep it in as good a shape as possible under the circumstances. Allied to this goal for our ethnic group is each person’s individual goal to maintain their family line, which is the hope that future generations will carry our unique genes into the future, so there will be something of us living on the earth long after our bones have turned to dust (descendants that carry our actual genes).
@me
We are halfway there. I agree about the liberal parasites BUT you have to agree that the Nordics here are closed as canned sardines when it comes to accepting Jews as Whites, and they are stuck playing double games about “racial reality”.
KM is no White Power guy – he is above all Anti-Jewish. That’s his whole schtick. He can’t get one Jewish friend, and that’s a sign that he has a serious problem. He’s living in a bubble. He doesn’t care about Jews and our real situation, he just cares about vilifying us. He doesn’t write books about how Jews help build societies, only how they destroy. Nor is there anything for him other than destructive Jews – he refuses to open up to historical reality – he reads his own fiction.
I am for Jews that are White, to assume their Whiteness and stop acting against it. But you are sorely mistaken if you think that Jews are the only ones who do this, and are the source of the problem. And that’s the reason I am here – the Nordics here and Jew-obsessiveness are destroying the Whites as much as the liberals, because they are inciting a civil war and undermining Racial reality.
Barb and Rick;
The only reason that BP was drilling in such deep waters is that because of environmental legislation they are not allowed to drill on land or in shallow water. Also, because of legislation, it is now not worth the oil companies while to invest in upgrading their drilling machineryin the Gulf.
In the 70’s we had a world population of 2 billion people and they were going on about peak oil then. 40 years and 4 billion people later they are still going on about peak oil, so forgive me if I’m sceptical.
For some strange reason the best science these days seems to be coming out of Russia. Russian scientists have been warning us for some time that we are possibly entering a period of global cooling which will be much worse for humanity than any possibe warming. If people find themselves freezing to death and starving because of crop failures they are going to get very mad at Governments which confiscated their money to prepare for global warming!
Britain has invested heavily in windmills. Last winter a high pressure system was stationary over Britain resulting in extremely cold weather and no wind! The windmills, which are a blight on the landscape, produced not one watt of power
Russian scientists also believe in abiotic oil;that is oil which is continuously being produced in the earth’s mantle. I do not have enough of a scientific background to affirm whether this is true or not but to me it seems more logical than the idea of it being produced by billions and billions of insects being crushed to death over millions of years.
I also believe in a providential God and not in a pagan Gaia. If the earth does run out of oil I’m sure we will find a sustitute if necessary.
If you really have an open mind about climate change please read the blog ‘Watts Up With That ‘on http://wattsupwiththat.com/
Dorothea,
I’m a Wyomingite born and bred. I know the history of our oil resources here. I’m also not an oil-co basher. Nor am I a Gaia nutjob. But I AM realistic.
Bit of history:
One of the most productive oil fields in U.S. was Salt Creek here in WY. (In fact, as a result Casper used to be nicknamed the Oil Capital of the country.) It, along with fields in Texas, OK and Penn, provided the vast bulk of U.S. production in the 20s when U.S was a net oil exporter.
Salt Creek peaked in the ‘70. UW has spent millions on tertiary recovery. Nonetheless, the field has only declined since. (There was a slight bump up when Anadarko started injecting CO 2, but nothing like the good ol’ days, and now it’s back on its old decline rate.)
If you talk to oil people in the other states, you’ll hear the same kinds of stories.
The onshore drilling that goes on today is looking for the dribs and drabs here and there. The onshore giant fields we need to make a significant contribution to supplies have already been found. And tapped out.
More drilling onshore will find more dribs and drab –
Even Bakken in ND. Those wells are exceedingly expensive to drill, not because of enviro regs, but because the rocks are tight. So tight that each well requires expensive, technically difficult horizontal drilling and chemical fracking. Oil needs to be approaching $100 a barrel to make them economic.
–And Bakken has been known about for decades.–
But it was never drilled because the oil is too hard to get to be able to do it cheaply and requires challenging techniques, not due to enviro regs.
Nonetheless, the minute oil started climbing in the early 2000s, such that CEOs projected the market price to eventually climb enough to make those wells economic, the drilling boom in ND commenced.
So it wasn’t enviro regs — they didn’t change. It was the market price.
So, even despite enviro regs, oil cos. will drill if they think there’s oil there that they can get and sell for a profit.
But do YOU like $4 / gal gasoline? Of course not. But that’s what we’ll have to pay if we are going to rely on Bakken. So BP went far offshore, hard as it is to drill there, because that’s the only unexplored places left on earth where there might be undiscovered bonanza-quantity fields.
So even if the earth is a creamy nougat of oil, it is going to be so unfathomably deep that we can’t handle the pressures. If we try to go get it, we’ll have lots more utter catastrophes like this thing.
“If the earth does run out of oil I’m sure we will find a sustitute if necessary.”
Yes, and here’s the substitute: Ocean energy.
Again, we can, with not-terrifying levels of infrastructure -building,
put turbines offshore, both wind and underwater in the Gulf Stream, to make electricity to crack water and bond it with nitrogen to make ammonia to burn in passenger car engines.
We’ll also need to build nuke power plants to electrify the rails system for goods transport.
But the best part, besides the enviro aspects, is this: If we as a country of White people are energy-independent, we can tell the non-Whites in the rest of the world, “Too-bad-for-you. We don’t need your oil.”
Because Dorothea, that’s all those people have to offer. Without us as a market for their oil, they’ll starve. Because they’ve overbred beyond what they can do to feed themselves. They’ve bred up to the point that they must sell oil to buy enough food to feed the vast masses of them –because they CANNOT feed themselves.
If we don’t buy their oil, their population will have to decline. Which, frankly, is Good for Whites. (It goes without saying that we’ll have to grow some stones and keep the hordes out of our countries.)
I love the idea of being energy-independent because I don’t like funding my enemies.
“KM is no White Power guy – he is above all Anti-Jewish. That’s his whole schtick. He can’t get one Jewish friend, and”
Let’s take stock.
You tell us Frank Salter is a Jew.
(Not that you’ve provided any evidence, but just for the sake of argument let’s assume you are right.)
Then you say that KM can’t get even one Jewish friend.
Since Frank Salter provided a review of Culture of Critique and has defended KM against the anti-Semitism charges, I’d say that counts as pretty friendly.
So are you now going to retract your statement that Frank Salter is a Jew or are you going to retract your statement that KM can’t even get one Jewish friend?
Salter is brilliant and therefore must be…
Today, the Left has essentially modified Marxism from a Darwinian class analysis to an anti-White, Darwinian class-racial analysis wherein the (middle and lower middle class) White masses are largely evil, the non-White masses are good, and a certain class of elite “progressive” Whites (and neocon Whites) are good. Ironically, the “good” Whites are comprised of a relatively wealthy, insular elite, which turns the original class basis of Marxism on its head. Indeed, in this modified Marxism, a certain type of wealthy Whites can be good — the wealthy, “progressive” Jewish and Judaized neocon type of Whites willing to cut the throats of all other Whites either through open borders, or through sacrificing them in Middle Eastern wars for Jewry.
But these limousine liberal and neocon Whites themselves could be said to be playing a Darwinian game of realpolitik, which itself should draw admiration from Darwinian White supremacists — all of which is why I reject White nationalism in favor of libertarian nationalism, as any Darwinian contest has to respect the ultimate “winner” as the “superior” in a survival-of-the-fittest contest, regardless of how dirty or underhandedly they might have played.
Libertarian nationalism would respect and reward those who uphold the concepts and standards of Western civilization and the libertarian ideology of America’s founders, and punish those who do not, irrespective of race. Ultimately, this is the only way to preserve Whites, too, as it would punish back-stabbing, cut-throat Whites getting their strings pulled by Jewry and Judeo supremacist concepts and ideologies, be they openly Jewish supremacist (neoconservatism) or crypto Jewish supremacist (modified, racialized limousine liberal Marxism).
Barb; I’m totally on board with nuclear energy and energy independence but environmentalists won’t let you build nuclear power stations. From what I’ve read tidal energy would require a capital investments greater than those for coal or gas power stations;could only generate twice a day at set times and the distribution the of energy and maintenance of parts would be expensive. We still need oil for petrochemicals,plastics, fertilisers etc.
This whole discussion started out with the comment that now non-gentiles have taken over American scientific institutitutions, they have been corrupted and co-opted to serve the interests of non-gentile bankers and the white oligarchy. eg. the climate change nonsense. NASA used to be a fantastic institution but now it exists to publicise ridiculous claims with fraudulent science to keep people in a state of fear
so that they accept more and more government intervention in their lives. This attitude to science runs contrary to that of whole of Western civilisation.
Non-gentiles have now taken over, manipulated and ruined the American economy,your system of free enterprise,your education system and universities and your scientific institutions. My question remains ;is this perverse behaviour the result of genetic or cultural differences or is there more? How come non-gentiles seem to destroy everything that is good?
I firmly believe that the world is about to enter the worst Great Depression ever. The non-gentiles will try to have us believe that this is a failure of capitalism so they can institute state communism/capitalism a la China.Now that they have succeeded in destroying the Catholic Church,the nation state and the family their job will be much easier.
The cause of the next depression isthe same aws the last ; fiat money and the use by non-gentiles of compound interest on loans; usury
Dorothea,
I agree with just about all you say.
I’ve just come to see it all, (peak oil, enviro goofiness, including the climate-change nonsense) not as our doom, but as our deux ex machina game-changer that will provide our opportunities to toss off our parasites.
Something like this: Chemotherapy works because, while it kills all cells, it kills overreaching, overgrowing, voracious cells (cancer) faster.
We Whites are like the healthy cells in a cancer-ridden body. We have to endure the chemo of things like goofy economy-killing cap and trade schemes because our cancer cells (the Jewish financiers) are more susceptible than WE are.
Jews can’t live without money, without a healty productive people to sponge off of. They NEED globalism and cheap labor with themselves at the top, just as cancer cells are voracious about nutrients. And when the system collapses and they can no longer live like pharoahs, they’ll collapse themselves, just as cancer cells are killed by chemo.
And the internet with sites like this are the chemo-injectors to save our people.
WE, however, I believe, are capable of self-reliance; we’ve just forgotten. We ARE capable of surviving the coming chemo of econ collapes. When the multiple crises upon crises really hit, we’ll remember who family is, band together and turn our anger where it belongs, in the process becoming a healthy people once again.
That’s why I LOVE that Peak OIl is upon us. Offshoring of manufacturing is a thing who’s time has come and gone. And when the struggle for the rare resource of oil gets into high gear, the Jews will not be able to brave the White-hot anger, as well as the sudden loss of their fancy, but ultimately dependent, lifestyles, and will leave.
History always repeats.
Oh, and the Sierra Club, which used to be anti-immigration, was hijacked by, surprise, a Jew who gave them a whole bunch of money to shut up about it.
With the toxic influence of Jews gone, Whites can rebuild on the fine ideas that Sierra Club once embraced, such as conserve open spaces, clean air so future generations can behold such splendor and feast their European souls, also.
What Andrew said, June 17, 2010 at 4:51 AM.
Barb; I’m totally on board with nuclear energy and energy independence but environmentalists won’t let you build nuclear power stations.
You’re mistaking the stated explanation for the actual explanation. Don’t be so gullible. “Environmentalism” is just an excuse for why we aren’t building nuclear power plants.
Daybreaker says:
“What Andrew said, June 17, 2010 at 4:51 AM.”
Too bad, because his response was uninformed nonsense. Clearly, with such ignorant friends, the White race doesn’t need any enemies. It is doomed no matter what the Jews do or don’t do.
For example, Andrew lamely tries to disparage genetic engineering as Star Trek stuff, centuries off if it happens at all. That’s just not the case. Gene therapies are currently in use in hundreds of clinical trials right now, today. Cures for many types of diseases and defects have already been worked out and will hit the market within a few years. So it’s not science fiction. It’s already being done. Now, modifying DNA to cure disease is, in principle, no different than modifying it to manipulate intelligence or other personality characteristics. Certainly within a few decades, and perhaps much sooner, it will be possible to re-write the genome at will, and make such changes.
Of course, being ignorant and knowing little about these things, both of you will no doubt be inclined to applaud these as advances. You also don’t understand that the rate of increase in knowledge and genetic engineering capability is exponential, not linear; you don’t have a sense of how rapidly the technical capabilities are changing. Consequently, it doesn’t even occur to you that, when that fast-approaching day arrives when these things are completely understood, it will spell the end of race. For what will racial characteristics matter when they can be erased and re-written at will? And consider, what do you think the elites will do when they are given such ability?
Andrew also goes on to opine, ludicrously, that humans have undergone no significant genetic changes since ancient times, and will undergo no significant changes for centuries into the future. Needless to say, he offers no evidence for this, and he can’t because it’s obvious nonsense. I’ve already mentioned what the future holds. As for his claims about the past, to believe it, you’d have to believe that the culture hasn’t changed at all since ancient times, for what is culture but the human environment, which is itself nothing but the sum total of selection pressures? If selection pressures for various characteristics have changed through the millennia, as they certainly have, then the genome has also changed. The emergent option to re-write the genome in various ways can only accelerate the rate of these changes, which perforce accelerates the destruction of the White race even more.
There is no one gene for intelligence, there are likely hundreds or thousands that correspond to it. Same with personality traits. We are far, far away from that level of sophistication. This isn’t the same thing about spending several painstaking years to identify a single gene that turns on/off some receptor that contributes to a disease.
The one who accuses others of not knowing what they are talking about is the one who speaks ignorance.
Is that you Adam?
Der weiße Engel talks just a wee bit like Adam did, with his thoughts that technology will destroy all the Human Races.
We’ll know if Der weiße Engel is Adam if he starts saying that someone must destroy the Global Technological System, evidently on the off hope that someone reading this Blog will have the ability to get that job done…
I think “Der weiße Engel” used to go by a different name here… The same boring sophomoric drivel.
LOL Reginald.. I was thinking the same exact thing.
“There is no one gene for intelligence, there are likely hundreds or thousands that correspond to it. Same with personality traits. We are far, far away from that level of sophistication.”
You accept the logic of the argument, but want to quibble about the number of years it’s going to take? That’s idiotic. Even if it takes, say, a hundred years, then that means that the White race has only a hundred years left. As I said, with friends like these, it needs no enemies.
We have to face the likelihood that it may be collectively too stupid to survive.
“The same boring sophomoric drivel.”
If you can’t refute the evidence or the logic, make an ad hominem attack. You guys are an embarrassment. Clearly, MacDonald needs a better class of sycophant.
I don’t accept the logic of your argument, don’t put words in my mouth. Furthermore, you’ve broken down into personal attacks on several occasions here, so speak for yourself, embarrassment.
The amount of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases sufficient
to cause catastrophic global warming are already in the atmosphere.
Why don’t we see drastic warming now? The answer involves
the heat of fusion–the energy needed to break bonds of
ice molecules. The heat of fusion per ice molecule
is proportionally great. Once the ice caps melt we will see
drastic, rapid warming causing drought worldwide. Anywhere
farther from the poles than Alaska will be a desert. Result
80-90% will die. Estimated timeline–30 years. China and
India for example will be uninhabitable. For verification check
research of Lovelock, an independent British scientist.
Even his predictions in my opinion understate the problem.
Polar soils are thin and poor–inadequate for farming so
even the polar areas not affected by drought will be produce
little food. Global warming will trump all political
troubles except perhaps all-out nuclear war.
@Engel,
“For example, Andrew lamely tries to disparage genetic engineering as Star Trek stuff, centuries off if it happens at all. That’s just not the case. Gene therapies are currently in use in hundreds of clinical trials right now, today.”
Perhaps you can give examples of research or experiments that are changing the human genome. In my ignorance, I have not come across any. Gene therapy that will affect a disease will not affect the genetic code of future generations.
“Now, modifying DNA to cure disease is, in principle, no different than modifying it to manipulate intelligence or other personality characteristics. Certainly within a few decades, and perhaps much sooner, it will be possible to re-write the genome at will, and make such changes.”
I am not sure what your qualifications are to make such grandiose predictions and prophecies. Perhaps you are a geneticist, futurist and/or modern prophet. But to me, you sound like someone who has only a vague understanding of the current state of man’s knowledge of DNA. DNA code is not simple, its not just a matter of a few proteins coding for a certain trait, which you can cut and paste to make your own DNA string. The human genome project was surprising, because there is much less DNA than was previously thought. This means that different sections of DNA work together in combinations that we do not understand, and probably can never understand. If you were a fearless DNA engineer, and wanted to build the perfect human, and busily went around cutting and pasting DNA to create it, you would very likely find you had created a massive FUBAR. Changing a small gene sequence somewhere can result in any number of problems, because that gene sequence interacts with other parts of the genome in unknown ways. Splice in genes for blue eyes and you may cause infertility or a predisposition to cancer, because you unknowingly deleted something that interacted with something else.
The fact is we have a huge code, and we understand only a teeny tiny fraction of a percent of what everything does. We also have no real way of discovering what things do, because we learn mainly by observation (we compare DNA with phenotypes, like we find what all blue-eyed people have in common in their DNA, then we can say that DNA sequence codes for blue eyes).
Yes, there are probably therapies that can affect a particular gene sequence to fix a certain disease, which involves changing 0.0000000000000000001% of your DNA. Thats a far cry from genetic engineering future generations. Perhaps you know something that our current crop of genetic scientists do not though. In that case, I suggest you compile your research and apply for a nobel prize.
“You also don’t understand that the rate of increase in knowledge and genetic engineering capability is exponential, not linear; you don’t have a sense of how rapidly the technical capabilities are changing.”
I guess at this rate of growth we will have warp drives by the end of the century as well, as no doubt our understanding of physics is increasing at a similar rate of growth, and will never stop. You seem to believe that the human brain is capable of any feat, that all knowledge is attainable.
“Consequently, it doesn’t even occur to you that, when that fast-approaching day arrives when these things are completely understood, it will spell the end of race.”
This is the real point of your ideas, that you believe White Nationalism is silly, because race will eventually cease to exist due to your prophecies of amazing technological marvels. Thus you have no concern of the displacement of Whites, comforted as you are by your plentiful supply of science fiction novels.
For realists though, there are causes for concern.
“Andrew also goes on to opine, ludicrously, that humans have undergone no significant genetic changes since ancient times, and will undergo no significant changes for centuries into the future. Needless to say, he offers no evidence for this, and he can’t because it’s obvious nonsense.”
Perhaps you will share your evidence that there have been significant changes in the genome since the days of the Romans. I noted that there have probably been changes, the selection pressures for German barbarians are different from medieval peasants. But I propose that these have not been significant changes. I hope that you will help me to dispel my ignorance by directing me to informative articles that correct my erroneous ideas.
More and more empty posts from the fraudster troll.
Environmental movement? LOL! They get press because the ‘movement’ is merely a front for more vile, evil, anti-human zionist goals.
Try harder. Maybe tossing the Hasbara playbook in the circular file would force you to learn to think.
“Result
80-90% will die. Estimated timeline–30 years.”
Too bad that actual climatologists, like Evelyn Garriss, understand the 30-year cycle (which certainly DOES explain the warm years of the ’90s, and with far less massaging of data required)
We are entering the COLD part of the 30 year cycle. We’ll be seeing polar ice cap GROWTH, not melting.
http://browningnewsletter.com/Newsletter.html
http://browningnewsletter.com/
Frankly, with this miserable long, cold, wet, snowy fall/winter/spring we’ve just endured, I’m a little disappointed to find out that APG warming was all a big fat fraud. WAAA! This is looking to turn out to be the Year without a Summer, too!
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gdj, Lovelock is a jew.
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barb, I too believe earth is cooling and is entering another major ice age. Since the Geophysical year ice core drilling expeditions to Greeland and Antartica in the early 60s scientists have known we are about to enter a major (100,000 to 200,000 year) ice age. Warming periods, like the one we are currently leaving, last about 12,000 (10,000 – 15,000) years. Populations that flourish during warm periods are reduced by catastrophic earth changes that accompany the onset of an ice age as the competition/struggle for survival intensifies.
Much of the data from the tax-funded geophysical research is still classified and knowledge is restricted to elite jews who have planned accordingly. (NWO is a ruse unless new world order is understood as new ice age.)
Much of the currently populated landmass of the northern hemisphere, Canada, Alaska, Siberia, Iceland, Greeland, Northern Europe, Russia and North America will be under 2 miles of ice. This relatively sudden change will cause tremendous worldwide destruction, loss of life and mass migration of animals and humans to warmer equatorial regions.
This has happened many times before and is what the jews/elites don’t want us to know. They plan to sit it all out in secure underground bases to safely reemerge after the majority of humanity (80 – 90%) has been wiped out.
Contrary to what is commonly believed major climate change happens suddenly which is why mammoths have been found flash frozen with chewed flowers preserved in their teeth.
Chris Moore says:
June 17, 2010 at 12:01 PM
Libertarian nationalism would respect and reward those who uphold the concepts and standards of Western civilization and the libertarian ideology of America’s founders, and punish those who do not, irrespective of race.
“irrespective of race”? I guess that means that you like the idea of permitting non-whites to remain inside of White living space, doesn’t it?
Until the races have been separated, do you think that black men, as a matter of personal freedom, should be legally be allowed to have sexual relations with White women and impregnate them? You still have not answered that question yet. I’ll continue to ask it.
By the way, what the Founding Fathers wanted isn’t relevant for us today.
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Barb, Wyoming, the home of Teapot Dome, is a long way from anywhere. How old were you the first time you saw a Jew?
You are right that David Gelbaum, the son of a math professor, put strings on his extensive contributions to the Sierra Club regarding its position on immigration. I doubt this has to do with his being Jewish but it does show that one can be a genius or saint in one area and blinded by sentimentality or just a victim of defective reasoning in another.
He says he’s honoring his immigrant grandfather–as if today’s immigrants legal and otherwise were coming to the same America as existed in 1900! This is **not** an official Jewish position on the issue. The most prominent spokesman for immigration control is Ira Mehlman of FAIR.
@Nungman
“This is **not** an official Jewish position on the issue.”
Who says it is?
jews as an ethnic group support the immigration-genocide of white people because they individually see it as in their interests to destroy us.
It doesn’t require that all jews agree or that they have to take a vote.
Most people, if their kid fell in a river would jump in to save them. That is **not** an official human position, no one ever voted to decide that was what you did in that situation, it’s a product of nature in the same way ethnic competition and conflict is a product of nature.
jews striving for the extermination of white people through an immigration-genocide is just one specific example of natural human conflict.
That’s the tragic but in a way nifty thing about paranoia, wandrin. Any reality can be twisted and bent to fit the belief system.
If in actual fact more Jewish Americans oppose further immigration of Moslems or Mexicans than favor it, then **that** would be part of a grand plan to destroy “white people” (by cutting off heir supply of taxi drivers and landscapers?).
@Nungman,
No, *if* that ever happened it would be proof they changed their mind.
Readers,
I was pleased that Quadrant published this excellent article. It is rightly characterised as a neo-con journal.
Indeed, it may still have the support of Peter Coleman, father-in-law to the Treasurer of the former Liberal government, member of the old elite and operatator of the shadowy ‘Australians For Honest Politics’. The latter seems to be a private intelligence service noted for dirty tricks ops against patriotic groups. It played a role in imprisoning Pauline Hanson of One Nation in 2003. It is close to the present Liberal Party Opposition Leader.
Quadrant has occasionally let a little truth through. However, it has also joined in the current LIberal Party game which has them ‘tough’ on refugees and unauthorised arrivals. So their motives in anything are always suspect.
Whatever was the case this time, we should be grateful.