Kevin MacDonald: Steve Sailer has an important blog at VDARE.com quoting from Russel K. Nieli’s essay on No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal: Race and Class in Elite College Admission and Campus Life by Thomas Espenshade and Alexandria Radford. It’s no surprise that there is affirmative action for Blacks and Latinos: “To have the same chances of gaining admission as a black student with an SAT score of 1100, an Hispanic student otherwise equally matched in background characteristics would have to have a 1230, a white student a 1410, and an Asian student a 1550.”
Unfortunately, the authors lump Jews and non-Jews into the White category, but combining their results with what we know about Jewish admissions to elite universities yields some interesting results.
In a 1998 op-ed (”Some minorities are more minor than others”), Ron Unz pointed out “Asians comprise between 2% and 3% of the U.S. population, but nearly 20% of Harvard undergraduates. Then too, between a quarter and a third of Harvard students identify themselves as Jewish, while Jews also represent just 2% to 3% of the overall population. Thus, it appears that Jews and Asians constitute approximately half of Harvard’s student body, leaving the other half for the remaining 95% of America” (See also Edmund Connelly’s take.) A 2009 article in the Daily Princetonian (“Choosing the Chosen People”) cited data from Hillel, a Jewish campus organization, that with the exception of Princeton and Dartmouth, on average Jews made up 24% of Ivy League undergrads. (Princeton had only 13% Jews, leading to much anxiety and a drive to recruit more Jewish students. The rabbi leading the campaign said she “would love 20 percent”—an increase from over 6 times the Jewish percentage in the population to around 10 times.)
Jews therefore constitute a vastly disproportionate share of the population classified as White at elite universities. Data from an earlier study by Espenshade show that around half of the students at elite universities are classified as White, suggesting that Jews and non-Jews classified as White are approximately equal in numbers. (Given that students from the Middle East are also classified as White, there is the suggestion that Jews outnumber non-Jewish students of Christian European descent.)
One might simply suppose that this is due to higher Jewish IQ. However, on the basis of Richard Lynn’s estimates of Ashkenazi Jewish IQ and correcting for the greater numbers of European Whites, the ratio of non-Jewish Whites to Jews should be around 7 to 1 (IQ >130) or 4.5 to 1 (IQ > 145). Instead, the ratio of non-Jewish Whites to Jews is around 1 to 1 or less. (See here.)
So there must be some other reason besides IQ that Jews are such a large percentage of the population classified as White at elite universities.
Espenshade and Radford show that there is discrimination against poor Whites and against non-urban Whites—exactly the population groups that are least likely to be Jewish. There is a “a general disregard for improving the admission chances of poor and otherwise disadvantaged whites.”
When lower-class whites are matched with lower-class blacks and other non-whites the degree of the non-white advantage becomes astronomical: lower-class Asian applicants are seven times as likely to be accepted to the competitive private institutions as similarly qualified whites, lower-class Hispanic applicants eight times as likely, and lower-class blacks ten times as likely. These are enormous differences and reflect the fact that lower-class whites were rarely accepted to the private institutions Espenshade and Radford surveyed. Their diversity-enhancement value was obviously rated very low.
One possible explanation is that the desire for better off students reflects the universities’ desire to have students who are better able to pay their way, so that more money can be diverted to less well-off non-Whites. Nieli points out that this “cannot explain why well-qualified lower-class whites are not at least offered admission without financial aid. The mere offer of admission is costless, and at least a few among the poor whites accepted would probably be able to come up with outside scholarship aid.” Right.
Nieli suggests that the real reason that rejecting less well-off Whites benefits the university is because it raises the yield score (the ratio of those accepted to those who enroll) and lowers the acceptance rate (the ratio of applicants received to those accepted) on the theory that less well-off Whites would not be able to afford to attend without scholarship money that the university wants to reserve for non-Whites. This makes them look good to the rating agencies.
This explanation seems rather ad hoc. Quite a few less well-off Whites would doubtless be willing to take out loans in order to satisfy their dream of an education at an elite university. To be convincing, Nieli should at least have some data supporting his theory. Even an anecdote or a colorful story gleaned from an academic cocktail party would be nice.
The other finding is
what might be called an urban/Blue State bias against rural and Red State occupations and values. This is most clearly shown in a little remarked statistic in the study’s treatment of the admissions advantage of participation in various high school extra-curricular activities. In the competitive private schools surveyed participation in many types of extra-curricular activities — including community service activities, performing arts activities, and “cultural diversity” activities — conferred a substantial improvement in an applicant’s chances of admission. The admissions advantage was usually greatest for those who held leadership positions or who received awards or honors associated with their activities. No surprise here — every student applying to competitive colleges knows about the importance of extracurriculars.
But what Espenshade and Radford found in regard to what they call “career-oriented activities” was truly shocking even to this hardened veteran of the campus ideological and cultural wars. Participation in such Red State activities as high school ROTC, 4-H clubs, or the Future Farmers of America was found to reduce very substantially a student’s chances of gaining admission to the competitive private colleges in the NSCE database on an all-other-things-considered basis. The admissions disadvantage was greatest for those in leadership positions in these activities or those winning honors and awards. … Excelling in these activities “is associated with 60 or 65 percent lower odds of admission.”
It’s interesting that the bias against Red State interests holds even when controlling for other variables such as family income. These students are being rejected not because of their family income but because of their attitudes and interests–a finding that casts doubt on the yield rate/acceptance rate explanation for the bias against less well-off Whites as well.
These data strongly suggest that Jewish overrepresentation at elite universities has nothing to do with IQ but with discrimination against non-Jewish White Americans, especially those from the working class or with rural origins. It would be interesting to see the dynamics of the admissions process. How many admissions officers are Jewish? And, whether or not they are Jewish,what pressures are they under to admit Jewish students? The brouhaha that engulfed the Princeton campus because Jews were “only” overrepresented by around 6.5 times their percentage of the population suggests that there is considerable pressure for high levels of Jewish admission. The Daily Princetonian ran four front-page articles on the topic, and the New York Times ran an article titled “The Princeton Puzzle.” (See here; I can’t find the NYTimes article on the web.) Clearly anything less that 20% Jewish enrollment would be met with raised eyebrows and perhaps intimations of anti-Semitism.
The big picture is that this is a prime example of the corruption of our new elite. As noted previously, the poster child for this corruption is the nomination of Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court. The fact that she is a Princeton graduate now makes even more sense given that when she went to Princeton the percentage of Jews was around 18% — more in line with the de facto affirmative action policies favoring Jews that we see now in most Ivy League universities.
Whatever else one can say about the new elite, it certainly does not believe in merit. The only common denominator is that Whites of European extraction are being systematically excluded and displaced to the point that they are now underrepresented in all the important areas of the elite compared to their percentage of the population.
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Thanks for the links to the books, Severus. I have ordered both.
As for you, Mr. Nungman – keep ‘em coming.
Like the story of the ten thousand monkeys sitting at typewriters – you might, just might, eventually type something worth reading for the insight it provides rather than for the idiocies it illustrates.
Nungman approvingly quotes: “The reason that the white working class is not well represented on elite campuses is because this is the most anti-intelectual group of all social/ethnic group.”
In Hollywood portrayals, this is always true.
In the real world, this is completely false.
What Lex eye-for-an-eye has written is about half right.
Previous Nobel laureates are among those sent the 3,000 forms that are “nominations to be nominated” for the Prizes. It is the Nobel Committee that makes the actual nominations to the various Swedish Academies that award the scientific Prizes.
The Committee is not bound by the recommendations on the forms but obviously is guided by them.
Whites, I wish it were false.
I wish typical American kids applauded the winners of math and spelling bees, science prizes and other top students–as they do in South Korea– instead of calling them ‘nerd” or ‘dweeb’ or whatever the latest put-down is.
Can you go through the first seventeen years of your life playing video games and huffing glue, then whine that you didn’t get into Harvard?
Nungman,
That is the result of social decay, not a” typical American kid.” In NS Germany, drug use was at the level of zero or near zero for the full 12 years and German kids HELPED and PRAISED one another in the same way you just described there in South Korea (assuming that is legit and not mere propaganda on the South Koreans’ part).
Pureblood democracy and cultural rot, and the crisis of leadership and direction that goes along with that results in children who are spiteful, jealous, and drug addicted. If there was a group in America that incessantly targeted Pureblood American children with filth and rot, then Pureblood children would act the same way. In fact, they started doing so long ago. Plenty of American Purebloods are tweakers and porn stars, but they **still** get into Harvard. You’re not telling me that all these Purebloodesses from Harvard got in on merit. Maybe a few did, but by no means all. The fact that the “Goy” Bush Jr. got a degree from Harvard means that networking and monetary power determines admission more than merit and we all know that elite Purebloods are rolling in billions of dollars.
I knew a “Goy” who had a 5.0 GPA and a 1600 on the SAT (before the score changed) and he got into Texas A&M. Why not Harvard? Why not Yale? I mean, you can’t get any higher than he did with all AP courses, straight As, and a perfect SAT score.
I am personally fine with the idea of affirmative action in a multiracial society, but only as long as it is applied to each and every racial group and both sexes. No more women than men would be in school and no more or less of any racial group would be in school. If our “leaders” refuse to do this (which they are) then one has to resort to a merit-based system. The problem then becomes how we define merit, in which case I am perfectly fine including more than just one’s analytical IQ in such an assessment. As the Pureblood race has shown everyone, you cannot put a price on character and morality. We need leaders who are practical and good with people and statesmanship; great thinking is secondary to this in politics. Indeed, we saw what the high-IQ intellectuals did to the Vietnam War and it “tweren’t pretty.”
SS
Nungman,
I didn’t claim that working class White Americans value intellect more than all other ethnic groups.
I said that it is absurd to claim, as did the commenter you quoted, that working class White Americans value intellect less than all other ethnic groups.
If, on the one hand, Whites value intellect less than N.E. Asians and Jews, in my personal experience they value intellect more than Blacks or Latinos. Yet Blacks and Latinos are represented in elite schools at the same rate they are represented in the population at large – unlike Whites.
The self destructive forms of escapism you mention: that is to be expected, when our culture takes Brad Pitt’s character from “Kalifornia”, shoves it in the face of young White men, and says “this is what you are”.
For Nungman (among others):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3ftUuyJ0Cg&feature=player_embedded
Wow, what a subversive little Kike this character “Nungman” is. Fortunately he’s not fooling anyone here.
@HA,
That video is brilliant. lol
@Nungman,
That is the result of social decay, not a” typical American kid.” In NS Germany, drug use was at the level of zero or near zero for the full 12 years and German kids HELPED and PRAISED one another in the same way you just described there in South Korea (assuming that is legit and not mere propaganda on the South Koreans’ part).
Pureblood democracy and cultural rot, and the crisis of leadership and direction that goes along with that results in children who are spiteful, jealous, and drug addicted. If there was a group in America that incessantly targeted Pureblood American children with filth and rot, then Pureblood children would act the same way. In fact, they started doing so long ago. Plenty of American Purebloods are tweekers and porn stars, but they **still** get into Harvard. You’re not telling me that all these Purebloodesses from Harvard got in on merit. Maybe a few did, but by no means all. The fact that the “Goy” Bush Jr. got a degree from Harvard means that networking and monetary power determines admission more than merit and we all know that elite Purebloods are rolling in billions of dollars.
I knew a “Goy” who had a 5.0 GPA and a 1600 on the SAT (before the score changed) and he got into Texas A&M. Why not Harvard? Why not Yale? I mean, you can’t get any higher than he did with all AP courses, straight As, and a perfect SAT score.
I am personally fine with the idea of affirmative action in a multiracial society, but only as long as it is applied to each and every racial group and both sexes. No more women than men would be in school and no more or less of any racial group would be in school. If our “leaders” refuse to do this (which they are) then one has to resort to a merit-based system. The problem then becomes how we define merit, in which case I am perfectly fine including more than just one’s analytical IQ in such an assessment. As the Pureblood race has shown everyone, you cannot put a price on character and morality. We need leaders who are practical and good with people and statesmanship; great thinking is secondary to this in politics. Indeed, we saw what the high-IQ intellectuals did to the Vietnam War and it “tweren’t pretty.”
SS
Abe:
Yes, of course, White middle American gifted kids being kept out of Harvard is fertilizer for the ethnostate, is a good thing for us –
BUT ONLY IF
these excluded smart White kids understand that they WERE *kept* out.
Today, most White kids are led to believe by public school system that there is “White privilege,” and therefore, if Harvard
denied you, it was because YOU didn’t measure up.
But KMAC is doing the service of showing our young people that the deck was stacked against them, that in fact, these young White, smart, Harvard rejects DO have it in them to be elites — in an *ethnostate,* in a place that’s intended FOR them, where they actually stand a fair chance of becoming the new elite, the elite of the ethnostate.
THAT knowledge will radicalize them into becoming our ethnostate’s leadership.
Complaining about Harvard’s anti-White discrimination is an absolutely crucial step to getting our ethnostate.
But, Abe,
NO,
we DON’T owe Jews a debt of gratitude. You see, before they showed up and upended the apple cart, America was 90% White.
It WAS, for all intents and purposes, an ethnostate.
Only the Jews showing up created the situation where now we need a NEW one.
barb says:
“Complaining about Harvard’s anti-White discrimination is an absolutely crucial step to getting our ethnostate.”
Yeah, and you goyim are very good at complaining. But my point was that you people are complaining that you are being kept out and asking to be let back in! If you truly want an ethnostate of your own, the LAST thing in the world you should want is to be let back in, as Sailer, Nieli, and Buchanan propose. Even KMD seems to side with Nieli when he laments the demise of a merit-based system. So I question the sincerity.
“Only the Jews showing up created the situation where now we need a NEW one.”
That was then, this is now. And besides, if your ancestors didn’t secretly want this result, they wouldn’t have invited us in.
Re: anti-intellectual, Nungman is being even more disingenuous than usual. While the majority is anti-intellectual, a significant minority is not. Whites with 1600 SATs and 4.0+ GPAs are being rejected by the Ivy League while Jews with the same numbers and blacks and Hispanics with lower ones are being accepted. So we’re back to the irony that when whites controlled institutions they included Jews but when Jews control institutions they exclude whites.
Affirmative Action for Jews? Somebody’s having delusions and this time it isn’t Serverus.
What you’re seeing at the Ivy league schools is the result of a level playing field and nothing more. That’s all the Jewish community has ever asked for and it’s recently enough that they’ve gotten it.
“you people are complaining that you are being kept out and asking to be let back in!”
Well, yeah, it would make for pretty lousy rhetoric to the unawakened Harvard-excluded young proto-elite if we didn’t pretend we want them let in.
We’re tempting the Jews to lose their grip on their chutzpah and come right out and say NO.
That’ll do it.
“they wouldn’t have invited us in.”
Well, you were let in, because you cried so piteously. Whites being kindly to a fault, and all.
But invited? You’ll have to show me the engraved invitation before I conclude you were NOT party-crashers.
Annnnnnndddd…
Just for the sake of argument, let us suppose the rhetoric gets so loud and rancorous as a result of this proof of Jewish anti-White discrimination in Ivy League that the Jews are forced to back down and allow Whites in in proportion to their population adjusted for IQ — what was it? 7 to 1? — Then, demographics being destiny, we pro-White-Americans retake control of elite institutions and get the Whole Enchilada back.
THAT would be a happy outcome, too.
Either way, it’s Good for the Whites.
Nungy,
Level playing field? Pffffft. Please don’t amuse me so.
Hitler leveled the playing field and your people screamed and frothed “Holocaust, Shoah, oy vey!” He couldn’t even give your kind away to the “wonderful democracies,” though try he did, as none would have you. He had to establish a sort of conjoint banking system with British occupied Palestine and pay for your people’s transport himself to get your kind to leave its Berlin nesting place. Even then few of your kind left because the Nazis were just so “horrible” and “evil.” Might I inquire, how come there were still over 1 million of your kind thriving well into their nineties and hundreds in 2003? Mathematically that means that between 4 and 5 million of your kind survived Hitler’s “total complete utter total systematic complete and utter extermination” with Zyklon B tablets in Poland in a gas chamber that was built in 1948. Yeah, it is pretty amazing how that worked, isn’t it?
Be honest Nungmeister, your people wanna rule like demi-gods. Even Henry Makow, one of your own there in B’nai B’rith Canada, affrimed that the Pureblood G-d is Lucifer and not Yhwh. He called it the Pureblood “Egregore.” He too believes in Eastern Front fairytales and fiction novels.
Nungman, riddle me this, why does everyone despise and loathe your people if your people **just** want equality? Answer that. Instead of stating the obvious, that your people are collective beasts, you scream “anti-Semite” to ALL of us. That’s insane. That’s like the sociopath or psychopath who blames his victims for their victimization. Purebloods are indeed perps of both sociopathy and psychopathy. Look up the DSM-IV-TR definitions of these mental disorders and you’ll think you’ve opened the Talmud.
BTW, you never commented on your people’s disgusting antics in Greece. They defacated into the hotel sheets, trashed the beaches, tried to get fresh with Greek women, drank like fish and tweeked, ad nauseum. You should be speaking out against that filthy behavior instead of trolling around with “evil Nazis” here on TOO. How much does Firefoxman pay you?
SS
“… let us suppose the rhetoric gets so loud and rancorous as a result of this proof of Jewish anti-White discrimination in Ivy League that the Jews are forced to back down and allow Whites in in proportion to their population adjusted for IQ …”
They won’t. Everyone will forget all about this by next week, if it even takes that long. With our genius for propaganda and control of academia and mass media, we have made you into a race of perfect sheeple.
Mwahahahaha!
“Then, demographics being destiny …”
If that were always true, you would never have lost control. We Jews value quality over mere quantity.
“GT, the **World Climate Report** where this report about Antarctic sea ice appeared is an oil company front.” – N
And the IPCC is a UN organization. Perhaps National Geographic and NASA front for the oil companies, as well:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2003/07aug_southpole/
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/04jun_swef/
“Global Warming is an oversimplification, true.”
Histrionics, actually, comparable to this:
“Even as the oceans wash over them these wingnuts will be babbling that it’s all just as scam to profit the Jews.” – N
—–
Let us return to cherry-picking and the world of Chicken Little:
“It will not be warmer everywhere, all the time. Climate Change is a better, more accurate term encompassing violent hurricanes regularly moving up the US east coast because the Atlantic Ocean will be warmer, catastrophic floods in various South Asian lands as the Himalayan glaciers rapidly melt, and so on.” – N
It snowed in Buenos Aires – twice in the past three years:
Antarctic cold snap kills nine in Argentina – The unusually cold winter weather in South America follows one of the coldest winters for years in many parts of the northern hemisphere.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-10679088
Buenos Aires sees rare snowfall
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6286484.stm
N,
More cherry-picking:
1. Deadly cold snap hits Latin America – Dozens of people are reported to have died from hypothermia as a cold snap sweeps across several countries in Latin America.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/21/2959907.htm?section=justin
2. Recent weather in Los Angeles for July has been comparable to October.
So, as I’m sure you’d be happy to point out if our positions were reversed, weather is not climate.
GT,
I might add that there is really nothing human beings can do to “reverse” climate change, if in fact it is occurring. Taxing white-skins around the globe is certainly **NOT** going to have a significant effect on global climate change. Tis a ruse to get even MORE money from the so-called “human cattle.”
In the meantime, check out the latest:
http://www.virtualseverussnape.org/?p=6544
This may be part and parcel of Joe “Slackjaw” Lieberman’s latest “Internet Kill Switch” legislation, which bashed its way through Corruptress, I mean Congress, awhile back. My, how I would love to shove my “Nazi” jackboot straight up his….
SS
Where WASPs are hiding out while Jews rule:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/22/garden/22hudson.html
This whole issue of course shows why the jews who might not be left leaning or white hating etc. still back their leaders, marching lock step behind them. It’s because of the perks. They know they can get Josh into a good school. They know Seth can get that loan – through back channels even (the money originally pried from white taxpayers). They know that Bella will get that top job once she finishes school. They know that Ari will get into Med School despite weak areas on the MCAT, because someone will pull some strings. These people are enjoying the whole rigged system. Sure, a lot of them will even brag about their connections and pull, and then still see any gain or success as their own work! But not a small percentage know it’s all b.s.. And they’re fine with it. Because they only have to compete among themselves, not those stupid, animalistic goyim.
“I might add that there is really nothing human beings can do to “reverse” climate change, if in fact it is occurring. Taxing white-skins around the globe is certainly **NOT** going to have a significant effect on global climate change. Tis a ruse to get even MORE money from the so-called “human cattle.”” – Severus
Excellent. I agree completely.
Abe Rabinowitz is a WN trying to work people up. They wouldn’t be here if they weren’t already worked up. Try another tack. Nungman is playing word games. But not very well. He can’t get the discussion off track.
It should be pointed out that the numbers show it isn’t only top whites being denied spots at elite institutions while jews with the same numbers and other non-whites with lower numbers get in. It’s the fact that jews, no matter their grades, are getting in. You can be white and score 750’s in each section of the SAT, and you’ll be beaten out 99% of the time by a jew with a 600 in each section (if he hasn’t managed to have his score ‘tweaked’). That is a simple fact. For now. When this situation crashes, and it will, it’s going to be messy.
With jews being at best 5-6% of population (that 2% claim is as big a myth as the six million©®) there simply aren’t enough of them who are so “brilliant” as they like to claim to have the honest credentials to fill these spots at various schools. But then honesty is an idea foreign to them, something found in other people, something to be taken advantage of.
Interesante, no va a continuar con este artнculo?
BernieR
oh abraham you are so naughty,.jews were demanding special priveleges back in the rome days and getting them,example ,no taxes,this was in alexandria if i recall. then you use those priveleges to advance and since you have more money from no taxes, and have group agenda then you mind swaggled the poor amelikans with your magic television and radio, newspapers and magazines and movies you stole technology for, they had no chance, looking wondrously at these images and words they thought it was a reflectuion of reality, But soem knowing sowemthing was wrong but couldnt figure it out from their sspoon fed information by dem jooz.,then bribery and stupidity(theirs not yours) took over. Allways appealing to the basest emotions to manipulate the unbalanced ethnic hatred of the petty minds allways ready to spread their hatred for their own self interests,as the bemused wasps floudered about witlessly or in conlusion, as you know a small determined minority can overthrow a majority of unaware people. and you were not invited in, in fact it was almost barred to you,and you snuck in changed names and emptied easterrn european jew shtetls into amelika.finacially backing insipid men like wilson to do your bidding easily nmanipualtuing it all. bah humbug. as it looks now you shall have it, butr then what? hahahaha you will destroy yourseklves for lack of sport.of others turn onitself jewtopia was a dream into nightmafre.what can a parasitic folk do with out a host? die off.hahahahah i dont give a shit at this stage since this aint the all to end all here,and jews in general have flunked most of the tests starting wityh the holy book of yopurs know as the Talmud hahah what a excuse for a paper stack to use on your rear ends. I just hope the afterlife isnt filled with as many pitfalls as this one.also you aint won yet and there are allways unexpected unforseen twists n turns that cause one to squirm.(relying on rascism ethnic hatred was a bad move as racial understanding for ther most part (aside from your overly broadcasting the more degenerate types of rascism) failed,