Christopher Donovan: Dawn Brancheau, the 40-year-old White woman killed by a (surprise) killer whale, was married and had no children. But “she loved the animals like they were her own children”, a family member says.
Allow for a moment my angle on this, which I realize isn’t shared by some White advocates: Dawn Brancheau represents a disturbing trend among Whites whereby puppies, kittens, dogs, cats, horses, orangutans and other beasts are considered their “children.” They collect them, work with them, hoard them, fawn over them and spend absurd amounts of money on them. Meanwhile, they have no actual children — and I’m betting it’s not often because they’re biologically unable.
My unclinical opinion is that this is a form of obsessive compulsive disorder, though possibly with a historical root in an evolutionarily-developed survival affinity for animals (unique to Whites) that can provide food and protection. The latter is understandable, but the former is a problem.
White women seem to be able to think of pretty much anything as their children — except natural children from their own wombs: adopted children from Africa, expensive houses, dogs, even killer whales. It has to stop. Dawn Brancheu was fit and attractive and probably would have borne great White children. Instead, she walked in front of nature’s moving train and got crushed. Can you hear the Black comedians joking about this one? (”Da lady got in the tank with killer whales. And guess what happened?”)
I’ll have to give them this one. Talk about survival of the fittest.
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“So clearly, America could easily maintain 600 million people without the slightest difficulty, and even if all advance in the field of horticulture inexplicably halted tomorrow.”
Reginald, if the 600 million were all White people, it would be not so bad, far less bad than the future as it is projected to be of 200 million Whites and 300 million mostly-Mestizoes.
BUT, the ideal, in my opinion, is to eject those 300 million Mestizoes so that we 200 million Whites can enjoy a clean, uncrowded country with plenty of forests, clean and lovely streams, lakes, countryside and roads that are not jammed day-and-night and we all can own some private land — as it was in the 1950s.
Us 200 million have PLENTY of smart White men who can manufacture the weaponry necessary to convince the 300 million Mestizoes that Mexico’s a better place to be.
ALL we lack is the will.
Our real problem is Asian overpopulation. But since they’ve already got 3 billion +, they are so far ahead of us that even if the White birthrate were to skyrocket to become a billion White people in 50 years, they’d be billions ahead of us.
We can’t win by breeding. We must win by rediscovering our ethnocentricity and using our smarts and inventiveness to create weapons systems to let the Asians know, mess with us, we’ll nuke you again.
B’s right.
Incidentally, Reginald, in response to your outburst (!), I actually registered over at the fertility group you recommended on a tentative basis. To be honest, I don’t know whether I’ll do anything else; I’d have to talk it over with my wife, and then I’d have to somehow assure myself of total anonymity, since details relevant to my suitability as a donor might, in certain combinations, give away my identity to any sufficiently motivated amateur detective. (I wouldn’t be able to reveal much more than that I live somewhere in the central Midwest.)
Peace, White boy.
Listen to the Neko Case song. She hit the nail on the head in this tune. Also check out Aleander cockburns most recent counterpunch post about the enslavement and revolt of the killer whales.
@Eurodele,
Okay, lets talk about a real pie-in-the-sky food technology. You build a 270-foot tall ware-house type building, 1 acre in size. It is divided into 50 “stories” (similar to shelves), each 5 feet tall. Each story contains soil, an irrigation system, and UV lights, and a high-yield food crop is grown there (this is a tested and functional system currently). You then build a complex of these buildings, with the energy coming from nuclear power (with reprocessing and fast breeder reactors used, thus using little fuel and producting little waste). Water comes from reclaimed sewage from a nearby city. This is a system that would multiply arable land area 50X, so 1000 such buildings is equivalent to 50,000 arable acres. They could even be built underground. The system is tested, and their are plans available, why couldnt something like this work?
“You see, all of those dire warnings you’ve decided to ignore were based on a general factual situation, even if some of the numbers were wrong and the projected timescale was contracted.”
I recognize that the earth has a carrying capacity. However, a good case can be made that this is a far higher number than the earth’s current population. A reasonable figure for the earth’s carrying capacity is 15B, as some have suggested.
“In short, Andrew, we have urgent overpopulation and undernourishment problems right now”
There have always been, and probably always will be, food problems in the third world. But again, these are related to the low-IQ populations of those nations. Zimbabwe was doing well for a while with its White farmers, but after removing them, that nation now experiences food shortages.
To better understand the carrying capacity of the US, lets look at India again, a nation with an average IQ of 81 (according to
Lynn). In 1995, with a population of over 900M, the nation was a net food exporter (http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpapers20%5Cpaper1999.html). There was not a major problem with famine, as the government subsidizes food. India’s land area is one-third the size of the US. Think about it: even with its primitive farming practices, low IQ population and smaller size, it still fed almost 1B people! Even today, its still mostly self-sufficient, and is planning to be a net food exporter again by 2025.
Do you really suggest that the US, with three times the land area, its greater intellectual capacity, better infrastructure and a host of other advantages, could not equal what India is able to do? Even if our population was only as capable as India, the situation suggests that the US could feed 900M people with 3X the food that Indians lived on. But you know very well that the high-IQ population of the US is vastly more capable, and there are a vast array of potential ways to grow more food. In fact, if we were to somehow replace the population of India with Northern Europeans, that nation would fairly quickly rise to first-world status, in spite of the challenges.
200 years ago, Europeans on average lived on less quality food than the Indians do today. Their lives werent particularly horrible. If the US had its 1B Whites, there is no reason why the government would be any different. India has this, and its still basically a democracy. The average Indian is not a miserable, unhappy human being, either. They go about their lives, raise their families and are generally content. A future with 1B Whites living at the same level as the Indians do would be much preferred to a future where Whites are doomed to extinction.
Lastly, I have to second Reginald’s analysis. If worst came to worst, the US would take what food it needed, and the third world would be left holding the bag.
Andrew, I absolutedly have no doubt that smart White Americans could figure out how to feed 1 billion souls if they had to. I just think that daily life in that kind of overcrowded cluster f*** is no heaven on Earth for European-derived man.
We’re not Indians. We’re not adapted to living one on top of the next guy. We’re Euros. We need to each possess our own homes and some land, have access to nature and not live our lives stuck in a freeway jam.
200 million IS the ideal number of people in America, and they should be all White, and we should physically eject the mestizoes overrunning us back south of the border where they belong.
We only need find our ethnocentricity and will.
Our men are far smarter weapons inventors and better warriors than any other race, with kill rates of dozens or hundreds to one. Let’s play to our strengths.
Andrew, no one – least of all me, at this point – disputes your ability to cook up imaginative ways to combine construction materials, growing media, fresh air and water, plant nutrients, high-tech machinery, and above all energy, into agricultural powerhouses supposedly capable of blasting through all theoretical limits on agricultural production, thus enabling human population to double, nay, triple, without human civilization missing a beat!
But as you exercise your Promethean imagination, have you ever wondered why, if these dreams of yours are such practical means for the efficient, economical production of food, we don’t already see any of them in the real world? I mean, sure, we see greenhouses, a few hydroponic facilities, some scattered fish farms, and so on. But why, given all of your ingenious imagineering, do we not see anything like your creations dotting the landscape everywhere we look?
I think I may know the answer. I want you to try thinking of “food” not as something that just magically appears in New Jersey suburbs, coalesces on your plate, and leaps into your tummy whenever you feel hungry, but as a more or less generic substance that is conserved under certain chemical transformations the way energy is conserved under temporal displacement of a closed system. After all, in addition to the vitamins and minerals that are in it, its main value to us is that it contains the energy to fuel human metabolism and growth.
Now, as we know, energy cannot be caught, confined and concentrated without cost, and we also know that getting enough of it is already so difficult that most countries are short of it and must devote large portions of their economies to obtaining it. This often applies to fresh water as well. The situation is even more obvious regarding things like fertilizer, which are both finite and nonrenewable. In the US, we already import most of our fertilizer, and it is getting pricier by the day. In 2007, we already imported well over 50% of our nitrogen fertilizer and 90% of our potash. and developing countries are now competing with us for supplies.
Ever hear of the second law of thermodynamics? It’s a law of physics which says that the entropy of a closed macroscopic system never decreases, or equivalently, that there is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine. What you are trying to do is the agricultural equivalent of building a perpetual motion machine. It sounds impressive, it looks fancy on paper, it is designed with the precision of a Swiss watch! But as long as you need fresh water, growing media packed with nutrients, and energy to run the ventilation and irrigation systems and all those high-wattage grow-lights inside it, it’s all just a daydream.
Now, you might be able to operate one of your agri-towers, or two of them, or maybe even a hundred of them for some finite amount of time. But pretty soon, you’re going to start running out of things that you need to keep them going, and the prices you will have to pay for these things will eventually rise to the point at which you might as well propose that the hungry masses dine in elegance and style on a generous diet of Dom Perignon, beluga caviar, pate de foie gras with truffles, and petits fours baked by Marie Antoinette herself. Or maybe soylent green.
Last but not least, as others have mentioned here, European mankind is not a school of sardines or a bacteria colony. We need freedom, space, the room to move without stepping on each other’s toes. It’s in our genes. Yet you talk as though you and your kids can be perfectly happy after some kind of Orwellian centralized planning bureau grabs every square inch of arable land and just about everything else on the planet in order to feed some ridiculous number of people, and herds everyone into steel-and-concrete hives where they lead lives not so different from those of of naked mole rats. (Naked mole rats may be pale and pink just like us, but that’s where the similarity ends.)
So my questions are these. (1) Are you and your kids really of European ancestry? (2) If so, how well do you think your descendants can adapt to extreme population densities of the kind you advocate without becoming psychologically indistinguishable from the people of India, China, or Mexico? (3) And if this is where we’re heading, then why all the fussing and fuming about “preserving our race and our culture”?
eurodele
“But why, given all of your ingenious imagineering, do we not see anything like your creations dotting the landscape everywhere we look?”
Because food is so cheap at this point in time that it isn’t worth the capital investment.
“If so, how well do you think your descendants can adapt to extreme population densities of the kind you advocate without becoming psychologically indistinguishable from the people of India, China, or Mexico?”
In Germany they’ve adapted to a population density more than triple ours without it turning them into Hindoos, Chinese, or Mexicans.
If anything, Germany is a nicer place to live than America is.
Crime rates are lower, for just one thing. And the murder rate is nearly six times higher in the US than in Germany.
“Incidentally, Reginald, in response to your outburst (!), I actually registered over at the fertility group you recommended on a tentative basis.”
That’s really good to hear. These sorts of sites are an option that far more high IQ White Men should be giving serious consideration to.
“agricultural powerhouses supposedly capable of blasting through all theoretical limits on agricultural production, thus enabling human population to double, nay, triple, without human civilization missing a beat!”
Exactly! I also forgot to mention in my last post that unlimited energy could be obtained from giant solar arrays out in space, beaming it down to earth using microwaves. But, I wasnt sure if you would buy that one.
“have you ever wondered why, if these dreams of yours are such practical means for the efficient, economical production of food, we don’t already see any of them in the real world?”
As Reginald noted, this goes back to economics. At low food prices, an elaborate system requiring energy cannot compete with standard agriculture. It would be profitable if food prices were to double or triple though. The marketplace is an amazing institution. Since you have been kind enough to teach me about IQ variance, I should return the favor by teaching you about the factors of supply, demand and price, and how they operate in encouraging innovation and substitution. My pie-in-the-sky scenario is just one example of a method to grow more food. When prices rise, a multitude of food producing methods that are not profitable at present can be expected to become common. You could expect the backyards of America to become fruitful once again, and the greatest minds in the world would be put to work to find solutions. Theoretically it is possible to build a closed system, where sewage is recycled completely into agriculture, etc. While this is probably not achievable, there are many ways to increase efficiency, such as using self-composting crappers (these are also proven to work, providing nutrient-rich composted crap).
At any rate, assuming that the great minds of our day are too dumbed down, and agricutural technology and methods have stagnated, we still have the shining example of India to inspire us.
“European mankind is not a school of sardines or a bacteria colony. We need freedom, space, the room to move without stepping on each other’s toes. It’s in our genes.”
If the US had a population of 1B, our population density would still be less than half that of Western Europe. Do you really think that the West Europeans have it so bad? It seems quite livable to me over there. You seem to be clinging to this dark end-of-the-world scenario, rather than evaluating the high population future scenario in more reasonable terms. One might say your imagination is not lacking either, though it has a more apocalyptic bent, as opposed to my grounded, steadfast realism mixed with prudent imagination.
“(1) Are you and your kids really of European ancestry?”
Oops, I thought this was a site for Siamese Nationalists. This is embarrassing.
“(2) If so, how well do you think your descendants can adapt to extreme population densities of the kind you advocate without becoming psychologically indistinguishable from the people of India, China, or Mexico?”
I doubt that very much evolution is occurring due to living in high population density areas (most people are having children, not just a select few who thrive in crowded areas). Humans are very adaptable. Again though, the “extreme population density” you are referring to is less than 1/2 that of Germany.
“(3) And if this is where we’re heading, then why all the fussing and fuming about “preserving our race and our culture”?”
You are making another assumption that 1B people in the US would create a totalitarian hellhole. Even in China, with its 1.3B, circumstances are still livable (population wise). Im sure your relative enjoys living over there. A very important issue here is that the US must be able to compete as a superpower if it wishes to continue promoting its “Pax Americana”. Without our influence, the world would probably sink back to its normal warring, chaotic ways, likely with very bad consequences.
An important book that basically foretells the future is “IQ and the Wealth of Nations”. China, with its relatively high-IQ population, can be expected to rise to have a standard of living similar to Taiwan or Korea. Two hundred million Americans cannot compete with 1.3B Chinese. An important element of our survival is our national security, which is based in large part on the wealth produced by the nation, which is in turn based in large part on the population of that nation.
Since you have given me some questions, let me ask you one as well: You are surely aware that White children are a mere 5% of the world’s population. Many nations of Western Europe have White birth rates approaching 1 child per woman, meaning that each generation halves itself. Whites do not reproduce themselves even in the US. So what is your solution to this? Have even less children? That sounds like a good strategy to you?
But capital investment isn’t the real problem, now is it, boys? After all, the Jews who run the world’s central banks can print as much money as they like in the form of usurious debt to be slavishly paid off by the Euro-American Golem in blood, sweat, and tears, without creating anything of real value whatsoever. As I made perfectly clear, the limiting factors in agriculture are fundamentally independent of money. They consist of natural quantities that money can’t buy once their supplies run out – topsoil, water, energy, fertilizer, and so on.
This tendency of yours to fall for the time-worn, low-IQ switcheroo whereby things like natural resources, public infrastructure, and industrial plant are gradually replaced in the minds of gullible goys with effortlessly-minted Jew money, and hard science is replaced with “economics”, is quite an old story. I’m surprised that either of you still falls for it, since it is precisely how certain highly-placed Jews have managed to swindle our race out of nearly everything that our ancestors carved and constructed, at tremendous cost, from the real material environment of our planet. It’s why you dutifully tithe to them every year at tax time…to rent back from them what your ancestors once left to you on the mistaken assumption that their own precious descendants would have the brains and balls not to fall for the transparent scam from which they had courageously escaped.
Incidentally, Reginald, the White population of Germany – now swamped with Muslims and other non-Germans hostile to native European culture – is divided into (1) people who are freaking out about the situation, and (2) people who have psychologically degenerated to the point at which they cannot be recognized as “Germans” in the traditional sense. So kindly spare us any further delusions about how Germany lights our way into the overcrowded future. The majority of good Germans are instinctive non-overbreeders who are already sick to death of living in the middle of the big, overcrowded mudpie into which Germany has been transmogrified around their ears, and every other German is…simply a mess.
Finally, Andrew, you ask me a question: “Whites do not reproduce themselves even in the US. So what is your solution to this? Have even less children? That sounds like a good strategy to you?”
I made it perfectly clear that I wanted children…still do, to some extent. However, unlike many Whites, I cared a bit too strongly about their health, intelligence, and comfort to simply “do what comes naturally”. To put it bluntly, my problem was this: I don’t have enough kiss-ass in my nature to crawl on my knees to some liberated, mud-sharking piece of Jew-bait and say “Please, please, goddess – just bear my children! I forgive you for being a liberated, indoctrinated, interracially promiscuous, TV-watching bimbo! If you like, you can divorce me, take my kids away from me, and clean me out! But please, please, please! Don’t deny me the privilege of kissing your aerobicized patootie and making good little PC, properly multiculturalized babies with you!”
People wonder why our race seems to be tripping over its own feet in its eagerness to dive head first into the evolutionary toilet bowl. I submit to you that the answer really has very little to do with “overly selective” people like me. It’s at least partially because our culture is already so far gone that decent White women are no longer nearly as plentiful as once they were, non-castrated White men are no longer nearly as plentiful as once they were, and the most intelligent among us, as concerned for our race as we may be, secretly can’t stand the majority of our kinsmen and kinswomen any more.
From the viewpoint of the most intelligent white males, the quickest and most direct solution would be to tie each of the egotistical little dimwits called “White women” down for a few minutes and gently impregnate her with the sperm of a highly fit White male. But we are morally, culturally, and legally prohibited from doing that. So until a scintilla of evolutionary good sense manages to smuggle itself into their moronic little heads – and I duly apologize to all of the intelligent White women out there, whose rarity makes you all the more valuable – we’re between an evolutionary rock and a hard place.
I’d like to be able to tell you that uncritical, low-IQ males can fill in for fitter males in the gene pool, but that simply wouldn’t be honest. They can’t. So once again. please breed responsibly. The welfare of your progeny could depend on it.
“Many nations of Western Europe have White birth rates approaching 1 child per woman, meaning that each generation halves itself.”
Seems at least a likely possibility to me that the collapsing birthrate is due to several factors, that if corrected, the birth rate could quickly bounce back.
1. Perhaps Germany’s very overcrowding is what is driving the desire not to have kids. Some underlying natural population-control mechanism is manifesting itself as “selfishness” “consumerism” ‘feminism.” The White birthrate is halving itself, so the population will drop, but it’s a fallacy to project trends to infinity and assume the halving will continue until there are no Whites left. If living conditions improve, the young women can all have 3 or 4 or 8. Our people have done it before, like after the Black Death in Europe killed 25% of the population.
Personal anecdote: I live in Wyoming. Appreciate the vast open spaces, clear air, outdoor fun. I visited New York City. People climbing over people. Constant noise. Grime. No sun, only constant shade from highrises. Yuck. THAT’s what you call “livable”? THAT’S the future you want for White man so he can compete with Yellow man? I’ve lived in CA. 2 hr. / one way freeway commutes are no fun. No time for family, only stress. THAT’s what you want for Euro Man?
I say, nuke ‘em if we must. Money for nukes? Get rid of our economic parasites and watch the Can-DO spirit of White man reassert itself. 200 million smart White people can certainly produce enough wealth to build enough nuclear-warhead-tipped ICBMs and warships to protect ourselves. We already did it once, with only 150 million people.
“But capital investment isn’t the real problem, now is it, boys? After all, the Jews who run the world’s central banks can print as much money as they like in the form of usurious debt to be slavishly paid off by the Euro-American Golem in blood, sweat, and tears, without creating anything of real value whatsoever.”
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Yeah, they can do that.
But would they then spend it on Capital Investment in a Business that has very low profits because of the low price of food?
Obviously it would make more sense to pocket the cash instead.
The point of saying there isn’t enough Capital Investment for higher cost forms of Agriculture is not to say that there isn’t enough Capital out there to pay for the higher cost Agriculture.
The point is that even if our Economy was swimming is Capital, no one would blow it on Investing in a Business where the product is too cheap to ever get your money back.
Even if you’re a Jew who stole the Money from Goyim using the Federal Reserve or whatever to extract it from the Taxpayers and/or China, there no reason to invest your ill-gotten gains in a loser industry where the market is saturated to a freakish degree and where producing more of the product would entail spending more money per unit than the companies already in the Business are spending.
Maybe it would make sense if you could turn it into a scam to scam the rubes, like the Dot Com Bubble, but that only works with industries that are a whole lot sexier than growing food out of dirt and mud.
“I made it perfectly clear that I wanted children…still do, to some extent. However, unlike many Whites, I cared a bit too strongly about their health, intelligence, and comfort to simply ‘do what comes naturally’. To put it bluntly, my problem was this: I don’t have enough kiss-ass in my nature to crawl on my knees to some liberated, mud-sharking piece of Jew-bait and say ‘Please, please, goddess – just bear my children! I forgive you for being a liberated, indoctrinated, interracially promiscuous, TV-watching bimbo! If you like, you can divorce me, take my kids away from me, and clean me out! But please, please, please! Don’t deny me the privilege of kissing your aerobicized patootie and making good little PC, properly multiculturalized babies with you!’”
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Interesting point.
One thing to bear in mind is that the sort of White Woman you’re describing here isn’t the kind of White Woman who’ll be having many children anyway.
Also the last way to knock that sort of woman up is to say “please goddess”.
What they really want is basically to be treated like dirt by a jerk-off Alpha stud.
What you should’ve been doing was wearing a Bandana, acting like a Tough Guy, and Negging like the Wind…
“From the viewpoint of the most intelligent white males, the quickest and most direct solution would be to tie each of the egotistical little dimwits called “White women” down for a few minutes and gently impregnate her with the sperm of a highly fit White male.”
Sounds good.
“But we are morally, culturally, and legally prohibited from doing that.”
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Dammit!
“So until a scintilla of evolutionary good sense manages to smuggle itself into their moronic little heads – and I duly apologize to all of the intelligent White women out there, whose rarity makes you all the more valuable – we’re between an evolutionary rock and a hard place.”
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Interestingly the White Woman who accept sperm donations seem much more interested in things like a man having a high IQ or working in an intellectually demanding industry.
That’s why the kinds of fake macho losers who are banging sluts left and right would never stand a chance in the Sperm Donation game.
Also this explains why the only High IQ White Scientist to successful implant his seed in a female celebrity was the 160 IQ one who donated the sperm used to produce Jodie Foster’s children.
There’s just something about the Sperm Donation process that brings the Eugenicist out of Women, possibly because their unconscious mind doesn’t have to worry about such silly questions as whether the Man’s political opinions will hurt her social standing or whether she’d enjoy having sex with him for decades into the future.
Even if a Woman is too promiscuous to actually have a chance of having sex with the father of her child decades into the future, if her pregnancy plan involves having sex the libidinal parts of her unconscious mind will desperately try to calculate whether a man is Alpha enough to keep her happily plowed over the long term.
Of course if a man actually is Alpha he’ll probably leave her after not very long, but most females are too stupid and egotistical to understand this.
“Incidentally, Reginald, the White population of Germany – now swamped with Muslims and other non-Germans hostile to native European culture – is divided into (1) people who are freaking out about the situation, and (2) people who have psychologically degenerated to the point at which they cannot be recognized as ‘Germans’ in the traditional sense. So kindly spare us any further delusions about how Germany lights our way into the overcrowded future.”
It is complete and total idiocy to blame Germany’s considerable present problems on high population density.
During Hitler’s Reign the Germans had a High Birth Rate, Racial and Cultural Confidence, and a tremendous degree of physical courage.
And guess what?
During that time Germany only had 18% fewer people than it has now!
Just before World War II Germany had 69 Million People, which means their Population Density of 500 people per Square Mile was 700% more than America’s today.
This means that America could have 2.1 Billion People, and still be no more crowded than one of the most Pro-White and Cultivated Societies to ever exist.
And the thing is that though Hitler wanted living space, it was because his reading of Malthus caused him to envision the German Race greatly expanding its numbers over time.
So when America has 2.1 Billion People, I’ll follow Hitler’s example and start calling for America to either expand its territory or reduce its birth rate.
In the mean time, I see no reason to oppose the expansion of Humanity on our territory other than the fact that the people doing the expanding are our Racial Rivals and for the most part our Moral Inferiors.
Hispanics who have Children should be deported, or at least be forced to have all their Government Assistance cut off.
Also, all Blacks should be sterilized, or at least forced to become Homosexuals.
But Reginald, I am an “alpha stud”. I’m around 250 pounds and conspicuously muscular. I have a deep and assertive voice. I’ve been employed as a cowboy and construction worker (and in other more refined. more cerebral fields.) I”ve ridden a bike for many years, the kind with swastikas painted on it (commissioned by the previous owner, a gang biker I knew). I have a decent-sized farm which I work entirely by myself with the help of four tractors and other large machines.
Given a total lack of conscience, I could have knocked up many women. Perhaps unfortunately for posterity, I couldn’t bring myself to do that, especially not with the kind of women amenable to that kind of undemanding reproductive arrangement. The children would have been so disadvantaged that as far as concerns my personal reproductive utility, it would have been a waste of my time. Many of the others were actually put off by what they considered the excessive masculinity or even the brutishness of my character and attitudes. Those were the ones whose asses I’d have had to kiss, and in the final analysis, they just weren’t smart enough to merit the effort and humility. I consider myself very lucky to have met my wife.
Regarding the “freespermdonors” email list, I’ve been over the first few pages and have not uncovered a single mention of IQ. The prospective recipients – even the heterosexuals – just don’t seem to care, and neither do the donors. Worse, many of them don’t write in a way that screams “intelligence” at you. I get the impression that they might have a very hard time caring for a any child at all, much less properly nurturing one with superior intelligence.
So you see, we do indeed have a problem here, and there’s no easy solution in sight.
But anyway…thanks for the tips, studley.
“During Hitler’s Reign the Germans had a High Birth Rate, Racial and Cultural Confidence, and a tremendous degree of physical courage.”
Right. And the Germans were libidinous and busy baby-making precisely BECAUSE they thought they’d win the war, and thus have living-space to spread their growing population out into.
But it’s a viable hypothesis, when a population is (or feels) trapped and the pop density is high then the baby-making stops.
“So when America has 2.1 Billion People, I’ll follow Hitler’s example and start calling for America to either expand its territory or reduce its birth rate.”
Nah. Better the other way around. America expands its territory and the baby-making rate will naturally take off. How about this, as a purely hypothetical intellectual exercise, of course: We nuke China now. Send them no aid to rebuild. When the last Chinaman dies, we wait a bit for the background radiation level to die down, move in to the newly empty territory and commence making lots and lots and lots of White babies.
“Given a total lack of conscience, I could have knocked up many women. Perhaps unfortunately for posterity, I couldn’t bring myself to do that, especially not with the kind of women amenable to that kind of undemanding reproductive arrangement. The children would have been so disadvantaged that as far as concerns my personal reproductive utility, it would have been a waste of my time.”
Yeah but the thing to understand that if you don’t knock them up, some other much stupider guy will just knock them up instead because most Alpha Studs other than you aren’t very high IQ at all.
Therefore the children of these Women will even more disadvantaged.
What I’m saying is that your decision constituted a tremendous opportunity cost.
I guess when you think about it, it’s a real shame that being conscientious can be such a Darwinian Disadvantage nowadays.
It certainly wasn’t like that in the Victorian Era, for example.
This is a problem we see all over the place, where the in many ways best people are so morally developed that it stops them from competing in the ways needed to win.
It’s like when the great British Politician Enoch Powell refused to run for Prime Minister for the sake of some moral scruple, leaving England in the hands are a far inferior man who helped lead the Country to a living hell where untold Myriads of Innocent people have died for no reason.
Plus if he was Prime Minister the quality of his Leadership would’ve been diluted by the inferior people in Parliament.
But in spite of this, Enoch Powell made a horrible mistake.
Though our understanding of this truth shouldn’t cause us to deny him credit for his virtues.
“Many of the others were actually put off by what they considered the excessive masculinity or even the brutishness of my character and attitudes. Those were the ones whose asses I’d have had to kiss, and in the final analysis, they just weren’t smart enough to merit the effort and humility.”
Yeah, that’s understandable. To pretend to be inferior in terms of your masculinity, as opposed to pretending to be superior, would be very demeaning.
I had no idea you were muscular enough to provoke a fear response in some types Women. It’s a stupid reason for a Woman to not be attracted to you, but the thing is that Feminism has taught all too many females to fear really strong masculinity, at least of a feral sort, when of course what they should fear is signs of degeneracy and/or African Descent.
It probably isn’t all that relevant, but gym meatheads often have problems in the Women department because there too far outside the average to be considered attractive to the average woman.
Instinctual bias toward assortive mating and all that sort of thing, you know (even the weirdoes who mate outside their race have been found to mate assortively on things like height, weight, and personality).
“Regarding the ‘freespermdonors’ email list, I’ve been over the first few pages and have not uncovered a single mention of IQ. The prospective recipients – even the heterosexuals – just don’t seem to care, and neither do the donors.”
To be honest you don’t seem to understand how a website like this works.
I have no personal experience with this particular one, but how it usually works is that the Website is basically just a way for a Woman to get in contact with a number of potential donors that she can correspond with by e-mail to see if there’s any she wants to use.
The ones interested in IQ will ask you about it during that part of the process.
There are other Websites I didn’t tell you about where more information on things like Education, Income, Work History, Interests, Personality Traits, and Medical History are prompted as a requirement for even being in the database.
To be frank, I wouldn’t even consider a donor database of which the make-or-break criteria include education (irrelevant to genetic fitness), income (again irrelevant), and work history.
Let me explain. Part of the problem with human evolution at this point is that we have distanced ourselves from nature, and cheated natural selection, by replacing genetic fitness with artificial fitness criteria which have come to depend, for example, on one’s psychological tolerance for Jewish indoctrination.
Whites who are highly intolerant of Jewish indoctrination have greatly reduced chances of success in in academia, and this is highly likely to affect their income and work history. For example, my present farming income is much lower than it would be if I could still stomach working for the miscreants now in charge of American society.
One might as well ask donors whether they are willing to brown-nose their inferiors and accept salaries from them, and let them donate their seed only if they answer “Yes!” Anyone who calls that “eugenics” had better get himself a dictionary.
But what you suggest might be worth a look anyway.
“But capital investment isn’t the real problem, now is it, boys?”
If we are going back to my example of food manufacturing using 1-acre large buildings, the capital investment is not an insurmountable obstacle. Steel and concrete warehouses are affordable to build.
” the limiting factors in agriculture are fundamentally independent of money. They consist of natural quantities that money can’t buy once their supplies run out – topsoil, water, energy, fertilizer, and so on.”
Okay, lets look at that:
Topsoil: As you know, the “fertile crescent” was fertile 6000 years ago, and is still doing fine. I have a garden which uses dirt from a construction site mixed with some compost from the dump, and things grow nicely. Dirt and compost are easily obtainable.
Water: As you know, most water used by humans is wasted. If water from showers and sinks was piped to treatment facilities, it would be enough to supply the agricultural needs of that population in most cases. In any case, Canada has abundant water supplies that could be piped into the states.
Energy: This is also a false limitation. We have 46 million tons of currently available nuclear fuel, which is roughly equal to 2,400 years of world oil usage (using modern plants that have just 10% efficiency in releasing fissile material). Solar power also has potential. A solar farm the size of Wales in the Sahara could power all of Europe, for example.
Fertilizer: If most human excrement was composted (a proven, inexpensive system), this alone would provide a great part of agricultural needs. However, only a tiny part of fossil fuels are used to make inorganic fertilizer (5% of Natural Gas production). Since the US alone has 250 gigatons of proven coal reserves, which can be used to make fertilizer, there must be enough for 10,000 years of fertilizer production at least.
Your limitation of capital or other items just doesnt stand up to scrutiny. There is the concrete, steel, dirt, water, energy and so forth available, as well as the expertise and workmen to put it all together. If there was a real need to do so, we could absolutely make food factories like I have described.
“The majority of good Germans are instinctive non-overbreeders who are already sick to death of living in the middle of the big, overcrowded mudpie”
They are undergoing demographic suicide. If this continues for another century, Germany will be a corpse. This hardly seems like a recommendation for a people who want their kind to survive.
“However, unlike many Whites, I cared a bit too strongly about their health, intelligence, and comfort to simply “do what comes naturally”.”
So you had no kids? And you think that is responsible behavior on your part? I dont think its much to crow about.
“I don’t have enough kiss-ass in my nature to crawl on my knees to some liberated, mud-sharking piece of Jew-bait and say “Please, please, goddess – just bear my children!”
With an attitude like that, its no wonder you had problems attracting potential mates. Women are selected by nature to be very good at being wives and mothers. Thats 75,000 years of natural selection. Yes, there are some bad apples out there. But the majority of women are of good quality, and there are millions of absolutely amazing ladies. I am surrounded every day with beautiful, caring, decent women everywhere I go. Most single women would give their eye-teeth for a good man.
“as concerned for our race as we may be, secretly can’t stand the majority of our kinsmen and kinswomen any more.”
Quite frankly, you sound like a dick. If you cant stand your kinfolk, and despise them, perhaps you should contemplate whether you are the problem, not them. Personally, Im glad I didnt have a dad like you. And I wouldnt let any of my daughters marry a guy like you either.
“I’d like to be able to tell you that uncritical, low-IQ males can fill in for fitter males in the gene pool, but that simply wouldn’t be honest.”
Every low-IQ redneck out there who at least has common sense is a benefit in some way to the race. Every warm body on our side helps. For example, if there were a million retards, who donated 10% of their Social Security check to TOO each month, that would be $70M per month for Dr. MacDonald to flood the internet with, which alone would probably be enough to ignite the awakening.
Since the US is a democracy, every vote is important. I dont see how having a high birthrate would change the average IQ of the population very much. Yes, it helps to have high IQ people. However, without the masses, the elite are nothing. And as long as there is a White race, however low-IQ it becomes, there is the potential of reversing this in a few generations using artificial insemination.
Sheesh, Andrew. You’re wearing me out.
Again, my point is that capital investment isn’t the real problem. To Jewish banking oligarchs, money is cheaper than dirt in terms of actual labor. After all, dirt must be located and shoveled.
The fertile crescent is still fertile because at the present time, water and fertilizer are still available there. This does not imply that they will remain available. In fact, we can see that they won’t.
Too bad waste water now tends to be contaminated with everything from pesticide to Prozac. Many of the contaminants are not removed by treatment facilities. Canada, BC at least, has already tried to overcharge us for water; we can’t even afford to water California’s illegal Mexican immigrants that way.
A solar farm the size of Wales would take an equal chunk of land out of circulation without even replacing the food energy thereby lost from plant photosynthesis. Proposals to rely on nuclear energy are stupid to the point of insanity. First there’s the fact that they are break-even at best, especially when the cost of waste disposal is considered. Worse, the waste can’t be safely disposed of at all. I could go on.
The coal-to-fertilizer idea may have promise. But even so, converting coal into fertilizer would take … you guessed it, energy. Forgive me, but you sometimes remind me of one of those cartoon characters who slams a dresser drawer shut only to have another drawer pop out and whack him in the kneecaps.
You say that “my” “limitation of capital” doesnt stand up to scrutiny. But it’s you and Reginald who have placed the emphasis on capital expenditure, not me.
You say that in a century, Germany will be a corpse, and that this hardly seems like a recommendation for a people who want their kind to survive. No, it isn’t…not from me, anyway. I suggest that you talk to Reginald if you want to argue about that.
No, I had no kids. Yes, I’m sure that this was responsible behavior on my part. I’ve already explained why.
Attracting mates was never a problem for me. Approving them as permanent partners and agreeing to their terms usually was.
When it comes to women, there are levels of “good”. “Good” for you means a woman capable of having and raising kids…apparently, almost any woman at all. For me, it means someone who not only won’t degrade my own genetic stock beyond the point of no return, but who has attitudes, interests, and behavior patterns that I can stomach long enough to raise a family with her. That’s a tall order these days.
You’re not the first person who ever called me a dick. (Of course, there was a price to pay for some of those who did.) But these days, it’s just a matter of keeping your eyes and ears open. After all, if you agreed with everything your racial kinsmen are doing out there, you wouldn’t be over here hoping to better the prospects of White humanity.
Judging by your output thus far, none of your daughters would qualify for a guy like me. They’d need another 30 or 40 IQ points to even get into conversation range. Try upbreeding gradually for a couple hundred years, then get back to me.
I’ll bet I know a lot more rednecks than you – these days, I do a little farming – and some of them are pretty damned mean and stupid. (Of course, others are great guys.)
The problem with White “retards” is that even if they could afford to donate to TOQ, they can’t understand a single word written by its contributors.
The true elite (as opposed to the socioeconomic elite) can get along without the masses. The reverse is not true. I agree regarding AI, but only with the right donors and recipients. Unfortunately, we probably don’t have “a few generations” left before it’s too late to start.
“1. Perhaps Germany’s very overcrowding is what is driving the desire not to have kids. Some underlying natural population-control mechanism is manifesting itself as “selfishness” “consumerism” ‘feminism.” The White birthrate is halving itself, so the population will drop, but it’s a fallacy to project trends to infinity and assume the halving will continue until there are no Whites left. If living conditions improve, the young women can all have 3 or 4 or 8. Our people have done it before, like after the Black Death in Europe killed 25% of the population.”
The problem with Western Europe is that after the Whites are a minority, they lose all power. In fact, as the percent of minorities grows, so does the level of immigration, as the Muslims are in favor of more Muslims. This is why a large White population is so critical. My thinking is that the biggest factors affecting the birthrate are the high taxes (making it very expensive to bear children) in conjuction with the “liberal” and “politically correct” view of world overpopulation that we see in this forum (where you are made to feel guilty for breeding).
“Personal anecdote: I live in Wyoming. Appreciate the vast open spaces, clear air, outdoor fun.”
I bought 40 acres of Wyoming land on ebay a few years ago, 10 miles west of Casper. I still havent visited the state though. I would like to build a ranch there someday. It sounds like a great place to live.
“Get rid of our economic parasites and watch the Can-DO spirit of White man reassert itself. 200 million smart White people can certainly produce enough wealth to build enough nuclear-warhead-tipped ICBMs and warships to protect ourselves.”
National security is more than just having nuclear weapons though. Currently, the US is the top dog, and its economic might is one of its most powerful tools to get things done. The US can strong-arm other nations into nuclear non-proliferation treaties, establish alliances across the globe that discourage warfare, and so forth. Denmark, with its small population, can do none of these things. No one pays any attention to the Danes. Even Canada, with its wealth of resources, can be safely ignored. The basis of the US’s wealth, and therefore its strength, is its large population. The US has done a lot behind the scenes preventing terrorism, especially the nuclear variety. We can spend huge sums doing this because of our wealth. Each year, as technology grows, weapons of mass destruction become cheaper to obtain.
Imagine a future where China has eclipsed a multicultural US. It is almost a foregone conclusion that China’s GDP will overtake that of the US, as it has recently overtaken Germany, and will soon overtake Japan. The only real law of international relations is the Might makes Right. If the US goes the way of Brazil, and the Red Dragon rises triumphant, the Chinese will be able to order the world as they will. Do not expect them to be the kindhearted steward that the US has generally been. What they need, they will take. When they need resources, they can easily colonize Africa (which already has over 1M Chinese colonists).
Yes, the US homeland is secure from China’s aggression, but as we become indebted to them, and lose our White majority, we will become more of a client state. That is extremely risky for us. A better future scenario would be a US with sufficient population to match or exceed China’s GDP, and thus maintain our power and influence in the world, so that we can pursue our interests, and not become another Canada.
@Eurodele,
“A solar farm the size of Wales would take an equal chunk of land out of circulation without even replacing the food energy thereby lost from plant photosynthesis.”
The point is that desert areas (especially those near the equator) have a lot of energy-producing potential.
“Proposals to rely on nuclear energy are stupid to the point of insanity. First there’s the fact that they are break-even at best, especially when the cost of waste disposal is considered. Worse, the waste can’t be safely disposed of at all. I could go on.”
Modern nuclear plants are over 10X as efficient as the 1970-1980 versions in the US today, and are quite safe. France’s nuclear program shows that this is quite viable. France re-processes spent fuel so that it can be used again (and again). This creates 20% of the normal waste, all of it low-level stuff (reprocessing is illegal currently in the US due to terrorism concerns, so we end up with mountains of waste).
“The coal-to-fertilizer idea may have promise. But even so, converting coal into fertilizer would take … you guessed it, energy. ”
I am not sure if you are kidding here, but the energy for the process comes from the coal itself. You turn the goal into natural gas (using catalytic gassification), then create standard synthetic nitrogen fertilizer from the natural gas.
“Forgive me, but you sometimes remind me of one of those cartoon characters who slams a dresser drawer shut only to have another drawer pop out and whack him in the kneecaps.”
I forgive you. Its amusing that you think you are winning the argument though.
“When it comes to women, there are levels of “good”. “Good” for you means a woman capable of having and raising kids…apparently, almost any woman at all.”
One of the requirements is that she must have big jugs.
” For me, it means someone who not only won’t degrade my own genetic stock beyond the point of no return, but who has attitudes, interests, and behavior patterns that I can stomach long enough to raise a family with her. That’s a tall order these days.”
Something tells me you are not the easiest person in the world to get along with. Perhaps you would agree.
“You’re not the first person who ever called me a dick.”
I guess I mean that you are sort of a misanthrope. Assuming you do in fact have a high IQ, it seems to be common that profoundly gifted people often have trouble relating to others. I knew such a person in high school, he had a very difficult time, getting kicked around and ridiculed.
“Judging by your output thus far, none of your daughters would qualify for a guy like me.”
My mom says I got a 98 on my IQ test, and she was very proud that I got an A. So don’t underestimate my brain smarts cuz Im not as think as you dumb I am.
Anyway, high IQ is great, and its certainly something to be proud of, but its not the ultimate test of biological fitness. Actual achievement speaks a lot louder, and I am wondering if you are all IQ and no bite. What is your IQ anyway? Do you really think that you stand out at TOO or TOQ? There is no shortage of gifted people on the staff of either. Dr. MacDonald must be in the 160 range (professors being the highest IQ occupation). Its not the vocabulary he uses or type of writing that betrays this, but rather his ability to see into the heart of the matter, and his use of good judgement and common sense.
“I agree regarding AI, but only with the right donors and recipients.”
Getting back to your eugenics proposal, why would the recipient matter so much? Why wouldn’t it be beneficial for a 100 IQ lady to be impregnated with 180 IQ “seed” (assuming both individuals are otherwise genetically fit)? Do you happen to know how IQ would be affected in such a situation? My guess is that the children’s IQ would tend to be an average of the parents, unless either parent’s IQ was a major outlier from his or her family line.
“Unfortunately, we probably don’t have “a few generations” left before it’s too late to start.”
Its never too late until the game is over. And the game isnt over until Whites are down to just a few million, which even in a very bad case scenario, wont be for over 2 centuries.
Andrew,
According to the eminent Prof. Richard Lynn, if a Woman with an IQ of 100 has a baby where the father has an IQ of 160, the child will average out to having an IQ of 130.
That’s better than 97.42% of the White Population.
So if the father had an IQ of 180, the child would probably average out to 140 and be better than 99.62% of the White Population.
Andrew, you’re asking people to take your word for it that solar cell technology offers a viable solution to global energy (and related agricultural) problems, whereas nothing of the kind is yet the case. Even if equatorial deserts have energy-harvesting potential, the burden of proof is on you to show that it is enough to significantly increase the planetary carrying capacity.
For example, you might want to think about the maximum distance for efficient power transmission in the modern power grid – the equator is a long way from most of North America and Europe. (Beyond a certain distance, transmission costs mount rapidly.) And what happens down at the solar energy farm when the sun goes down? In particular, you might want to tell us how you plan to store electrical power on the global scale you seem to be imagining until such a time as it can be used (no, a convenient sandstorm doesn’t always appear at dusk so that you can switch to windmills). These are rather more serious problems than you seem to think they are, and there are others where those came from.
Modern nuclear power plants (1) are inherently unsafe (think Chernobyl and nuclear terrorism); (2) require enriched uranium, of which the global supply is limited and which takes a lot of time and energy to mine and refine; (3) produce dirty and dangerous waste for which no satisfactory disposal technology has ever been devised. Your wishful claim that nuclear waste can be safely and endlessly recycled inspires very little confidence, if only because it flies in the face of real-world experience and engineering. (Even if you think that nuclear power is tres chic because France and other European countries use fission reactors, the actual reason is that their backs are against the wall – they have no other way to make power, and would eliminate their fission reactors in a heartbeat if they could afford it.)
Like I said, manufacturing nitrogen fertilizer from coal (among the several kinds which are necessary) may have promise, but that says nothing about the actual efficiency of the process. I suspect that this would be a very costly way to produce nitrogen fertilizer. Such costs are superficially monetary, but they always come down to…something else that you can’t have if and when you need it, e.g., more energy from natural gas. Again, you slam one drawer of an overfull dresser, another pops out and whacks you in the schnozz. It doesn’t take a genius to see that we’ve just about run out of “low hanging fruit”, technologically speaking. Your whole notion that we can afford to rely on pie-in-the-sky technology is simply unrealistic.
Look, here’s what happens. People complain about running out of things. Some reporter finds a scientist or an engineer and asks him what can be done. At first, the scientist is flummoxed. But the reporter is tapping his pencil on the desk and staring, so the engineer scratches his head and says, “Well, that’s a real tough situation. I suppose we might start thinking along the lines of X. But then again, in order to do X, we’ll need to solve a whole bunch of other problems, like (blah, blah, blah).” Then the reporter puts out his story, glossing over the “other problems” for impact. Then a guy like you comes along, gets himself into an argument, furiously searches the Net for anything to support his case, finds the article, fails to notice any mention whatsoever of other problems, and declares the situation resolved.
You’ve got to learn not to do that.
I must say, Andrew, you really had me going when you passionately and empathically declared that “the majority of women are of good quality, and there are millions of absolutely amazing ladies. I am surrounded every day with beautiful, caring, decent women everywhere I go!” If you were to make your way down to the Lonely Hearts Club and say that to a group of spinsters, no doubt you’d be in the breeding business in an even bigger way than you already are!
But sadly, we now learn that when it comes right down to it, your appreciation is limited to women with big, juicy racks…and just when White Womankind was about to bestow on you its coveted Catch of the Year award!
There are a few high-end experimental IQ tests out there that purport to measure up to IQ 200 and beyond, but to a clinical psychologist, the last word on IQ is a standard test like the WAIS or RAM. If you can max out the WAIS, that’s about as high as your IQ can be accurately measured (as opposed to “estimated”). I’ve maxed out the WAIS, and not that long ago. Maybe Dr. MacDonald can do that too; it wouldn’t surprise me.
However, that’s beside the point in our current discussion. I only mentioned it apropos of my own perspective, as a White person, on this poor Orca victim’s possible reproductive situation, for which she was being heartlessly criticized post mortem. If the subject of IQ makes you uncomfortable, we don’t need to dwell on it here.
By the way, I’m sure that your daughters, such as they may be, are smart and pretty. It’s just that being called a “dick” doesn’t exactly bring out the warmth and fuzziness in a person.
“Andrew, you’re asking people to take your word for it that solar cell technology offers a viable solution to global energy (and related agricultural) problems, whereas nothing of the kind is yet the case.”
Its true that all of this is still theoretical. However, we do have functioning solar farms. European nations are planning to build a sahara desert project:
http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/06/22/worlds-largest-solar-project-sahara-desert/
There are of course challenges with sandstorms and politics, as well as major capital costs, but the project seems doable. Whether or not it will ever be completed is of course indeterminable. In North America, the Sonoran desert (US Southwest and Northern Mexico) has a similar line of latitude as the Sahara, and would perhaps offer a smiliar potential (especially the undeveloped Mexican desert areas). As far as transmission of power goes, Wikipedia states that, “Long-distance transmission of electricity (thousands of kilometers) is cheap and efficient, with costs of US$0.005–0.02/kWh (compared to annual averaged large producer costs of US$0.01–0.025/kWh”, and the longest powerline in existence is 1000 miles long (in the Congo).
“Modern nuclear power plants (1) are inherently unsafe (think Chernobyl and nuclear terrorism); (2) require enriched uranium, of which the global supply is limited and which takes a lot of time and energy to mine and refine; (3) produce dirty and dangerous waste for which no satisfactory disposal technology has ever been devised. ”
Its true that there are problems with nuclear power, but technology has improved substantially since the first plants were built. They are much safer (Chernobyl, built with old Soviet technology and engineering is probably not a fair comparison to modern reactors). There are costs associated with mining Uranium, but it is expected that there is enough of this fuel source to last mankind for 47,000 years (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Uranium_depletion). This implies that there is at least the potential to produce a lot of power this way, though it would probably be more costly than what the US is doing now. In France, where Uranium is re-processed, a family of four yields on average an amount of high-level nuclear waste the size of a cigarette lighter (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/reaction/readings/french.html). There is no perfect solution for storage, but underground mountain sites seem to be a reasonable method.
At least theoretically, there is enough power to run food manufactories (food is currently grown indoors using UV lights and so forth) and provide for the needs of increased population. Although this would work theoretically, obviously I cannot prove that it would all work in practice as no one has put together a large enough system to date.
” Then a guy like you comes along, gets himself into an argument, furiously searches the Net for anything to support his case, finds the article, fails to notice any mention whatsoever of other problems, and declares the situation resolved.”
All I can say is that in my mind (and I am just a layman), it seems reasonable that the US could comfortably support a much larger population. You have pointed out potential problems, and there would certainly be many serious challenges. However, when looking at the success of other nations, and having a lot of faith in American ingenuity, it seems doable to me. Note that there are also serious geopolitical risks involved with not having a large population of Whites.
“But sadly, we now learn that when it comes right down to it, your appreciation is limited to women with big, juicy racks…and just when White Womankind was about to bestow on you its coveted Catch of the Year award!”
In my experience, most women do not really want a guy who is “sensitive”. They want someone who is in charge and can take care of them. I think that relationships work best when the male undertakes his traditional role as the head of the family, the decision-maker and the patriarch. In my view, women are generally a lot happier in such a relationship, and they also like being admired for their body parts.
” I’ve maxed out the WAIS, and not that long ago.”
After looking this up, that would equate to a Stanford-Binet IQ of 196, is that right? If so, that’s pretty high, there must be just a few people in the US with that score.
“this poor Orca victim’s possible reproductive situation, for which she was being heartlessly criticized post mortem.”
She was probably a very caring and sweet lady, and would probably have made a great mom.
“If the subject of IQ makes you uncomfortable, we don’t need to dwell on it here.”
Im not sure what my IQ is, but of course its blatantly obvious that I must be a super-duper smart guy, so I am very comfortable talking about the subject. I do understand that most truly great and accomplished individuals throughout history have had very high IQs (this is an important quality, though such things as drive, ambition, vision, morality, character, good sense, etc. are also necessary to some extent). Actually, I have designed a plan that I seriously do intend to implement in the future. The idea is that I assemble a group of families together. Each family would help support one or more single ladies, or be married to them polygamously. Each of these ladies would bear several children through artificial insemination with very high quality “seed”. All of the children would be homeschooled, and raised to become the leaders of a movement to help lead the awakening of Whites. In 20-30 years time, there would be a large number of very intelligent, capable, well-trained individuals arriving on the scene exactly when they are needed the most (near when Whites are reaching minority status). I think that raising children now is the most effective thing that any White Nationalist can do. In fact, if Dr. Pierce had concentrated his efforts on this, he would have had a much greater impact on the movement.
Here is a picture of a polygamist with 49 children and 239 grand-children:
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/02/polygamists/anderson-text
The guy with the cowboy hat is truly a stud, and an example for us all.
I saw an interesting move last night. It’s called “The Road”.
After an unnamed catastrophe that reduces the earth to a cool, dim wasteland (perhaps the intended inference is an asteroid strike whose destructive magnitude rivals the one that supposedly wiped out the dinosaurs), the few surviving remnants of surface-dwelling humanity – as opposed to Jewish humanity in CoG facilities, an unspoken but intelligent background assumption – are reduced to either cannibalism, or to being hunted for food by roving bands of cannibals. Bearing out the predictions of etymology, almost all of the survivors seem to be White survivalists of the kind now reputed to belong to militias and other groups of potential anti-ZOG insurgents. (Assumably, most of the Africans and Hispanics have already eaten each other.) Life for the handful of White non-cannibals is absolutely intolerable and ostensibly futile.
A population crash and global race war for dwindling resources could have much the same effect. (Extreme overpopulation and competition for the basic necessities of life would almost certainly result in complete, intensely violent racial polarization.) The wizened, cowboy-hatted Mormon “stud” in your picture would not survive, and his low-IQ descendants would stand a very good chance of being roasted on spits and consumed by the very lowest kind of humanity.
Admittedly, this outcome would conduce to the survival of animalistic redneck cannibals, thus possibly allowing the short-term survival of a new form of (White) humankind limited to the descendants of, you guessed it, animalistic redneck cannibals. But try watching the movie, and then ask yourself what the White race would really be worth by the light of its own moral propensities if this scenario were to occur.
Now, such a scenario is only one possible future that we face. (While some might see it as no possibility at all, such a blanket denial can be safely dismissed on its face.) However, it is a future that can only become more likely if the White genome becomes even more saturated with low-intelligence high-r breeders. I suggest that you watch the movie, if only to get a glimpse of the various kinds of future that could easily unfold for us if we don’t start getting a few lucky breaks.
Is the White race worthy of survival? Once again, we come back to your “deservingness” criterion, and to my observation that nonsurvival moots ethics. Nevertheless, I submit to you that our feet are being held to the fire right now, in the sense that if we do nothing to regain political ascendancy and command of our own national resources, we will be completely disarmed in the face of any global natural disaster.
My point in bringing up the “The Road”, or for that matter any other semi-realistic post-Apocalyptic story, is that there are many possible futures from which high-r breeding cannot save us. The only way we can guaranty our own survival is to do something NOW to retake what we rightfully own. So, if you can, try to understand that your high-r breeding is not a legitimate substitute for spending more of your time, money, and energy doing what needs to be done in the short term.
Remember, any race can breed, and the hard, cold mathematics of reproduction assures us that Whites have been and will continue to be numerically outbred by Blacks, Mestizos and Asians. While we do need to create new people – no doubt about that – squandering our collective energy on low-IQ, or even average-IQ, quantitative breeding activities stands a very good chance of being a losing strategy at this point in the game.
Just a little food for thought. Take it easy, papa.
“To be frank, I wouldn’t even consider a donor database of which the make-or-break criteria include education (irrelevant to genetic fitness), income (again irrelevant), and work history.”
eurodele,
It’s more that you have to give the information before you can join, once you get approved (and there’s no minimum income or education level required to be approved) it’s up to the female subscribers if they want to care about what you put in the slots, and what they consider desirable.
“Let me explain. Part of the problem with human evolution at this point is that we have distanced ourselves from nature, and cheated natural selection, by replacing genetic fitness with artificial fitness criteria which have come to depend, for example, on one’s psychological tolerance for Jewish indoctrination.”
I see what you are saying here, and considering my low tolerance for the education system I’m hardly in much of a position to disagree with you.
Still, you seem to (rightfully I think) place a lot of stock in IQ.
And the thing is that years of education has been found to have a substantial correlation with IQ, with many studies finding the correlation to be 40% or more:
http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&id=1984-30440-001&CFID=6646747&CFTOKEN=95647812
So while there may be negative traits relating to subservience selected for if a woman prefers a more educated man, there’s also a very important positive trait that’s being selected for as well.
Perhaps one would even say the most important single positive trait.
I do realize that with really extreme examples like you and Bill Gates, and if I recall correctly Bobby Fisher, the relationship can break down in an extreme way that you wouldn’t necessarily expect based on the strength of the general pattern.
“Whites who are highly intolerant of Jewish indoctrination have greatly reduced chances of success in in academia, and this is highly likely to affect their income and work history. For example, my present farming income is much lower than it would be if I could still stomach working for the miscreants now in charge of American society.”
I understand.
Actually, there’s one donation site I know of that doesn’t prompt for income:
http://www.free-sperm-donations.com/register.htm
With this site the females involved have to pay a fee, though it’s free for the men.
The prompts are:
Country
State
Age Group
Height
Natural Hair Color
Ethnicity
Eye Color (from what I hear blue eyed men are preferred)
Blood Type
Relevant Health History
Marital Status
Highest Level of Education
Note that options for this question are: School of Life, High School, A Levels, Work Related Qualifications, NVQ, Graduate Degree, Post-Graduate Certificate, Post-Graduate Diploma, Masters Degree, PhD, Other (specify in comments).
Current Job or Career
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Note that options for this question are: Known (child can request info at 18), Anonymous (child not given any info), Undecided
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So you could certainly put your remarkable IQ in there, or even just allude to having an extremely high IQ on the idea that more information could be provided further along in the process.
@Eurodele,
Okay, for now, lets assume that there is a very serious crisis on the horizon. For the purpose of this discussion, lets even concede there is an overpopulation problem and a problem with all manner of resources running out soon. Add that to the problem of White displacement and political dominance by an alien elite, and things look grim for our race in the future.
What exactly do you suggest is the optimal strategy to address the problem for a WN? That really gets to the heart of what I am concerned about.
“I saw an interesting move last night. It’s called “The Road”.”
I did see the road, and enjoyed it, I especially liked the way they showed the White father acting in a manly, traditional way, protecting his family, sacrificing himself when needed to ensure his son’s survival. It was awesome stuff. You dont see this in movies very often, where Whitey is usually portrayed as a weak, selfish nincompoop who is deserving only of scorn.
“My point in bringing up the “The Road”, or for that matter any other semi-realistic post-Apocalyptic story, is that there are many possible futures from which high-r breeding cannot save us.”
There have certainly been major extinction events in the past that would create a situation like “The Road”, asteroid collisions being just some of them. However, for the next few centuries at least, such an event is probably unlikely. The most likely scenario is that current anti-White trends continue (immigration, displacement, political disempowerment, etc.) I am no expert at probability, but I would say that this scenario has a 90%+ chance of occurrence, while “The Road” or a similar apocalyptic scenario has less than a 2% chance. Therefore, unless you expect us to be really unlucky, the most logical thing to do is plan for the displacement scenario.
In this case, or just about any other scenario, why wouldnt having a large group of well-informed geniuses be of great benefit to the situation? Lets assume that you are in fact a brainiac. If I could take a magic wand and make 100 clones of you at age 20, who had all been well educated in the problems facing Whites, wouldnt that be a very helpful thing to do? I understand that just having high quality “seed” does not ensure geniuses, and the talents of children would be watered down by having 110-120 IQ moms. However, Reginald’s information suggests that such children would still be very smart.
“The only way we can guaranty our own survival is to do something NOW to retake what we rightfully own.”
This is exactly what Dr. Pierce, Revilo Oliver and a whole host of other people thought, back in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s. But here we are many decades later, and Whites arent gone yet. Even by 2050, Whites still have a population of 200M in the US, with an even bigger population elsewhere in the world. I agree with you wholeheartedly that we should do something now, but I would suggest that having lots of high-IQ children (who are well-educated and raised well) would be the most effective strategy. One our biggest weaknesses, possibly THE biggest, is the lack of intelligent, talented leaders. Those are just not easy to come by, and having a nice big group of them arise in the future would be a game-changer.
“So, if you can, try to understand that your high-r breeding is not a legitimate substitute for spending more of your time, money, and energy doing what needs to be done in the short term.”
What do you think would be more effective than my high-IQ breeding strategy? Please explain why having as many high-IQ individuals in the future as possible would not be hugely advantageous.
“squandering our collective energy on low-IQ, or even average-IQ, quantitative breeding activities stands a very good chance of being a losing strategy at this point in the game.”
I think ideally, we would want to have as many Whites as can be supported on our resources, who have the highest genetic quality possible.
“The wizened, cowboy-hatted Mormon “stud” in your picture would not survive, and his low-IQ descendants would stand a very good chance of being roasted on spits and consumed by the very lowest kind of humanity.”
You are assuming that he and his progeny are low-IQ. As contrary evidence, it surely cannot be easy to handle so many wives and children, especially when it takes huge quantities of resources to support them. This suggests that our stud is much more capable than average, I just do not see how a dummy could accomplish what he did. Since IQ is largely inheritable, it stands to reason that his children would have similar attributes. Check out this video of a Mormon guy with 20 wives and 120 children:
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/inside/4292/Overview#tab-Videos/07797_00
If you look at the guy, or listen to his children speaking, do you get the sense that they are mentally deficient? They seem perfectly normal to me (and I suspect that a guy that can support so many wives and children has got to be pretty sharp. Even Sir Isaac Newton would have been hard-pressed to do the same). Your own stone-age ancestors were no doubt polygamists producing plentiful pods of precocious punks just like this guy.
Your link doesn’t work (from here) at the present time, Andrew, so I haven’t yet managed to view your “high-IQ” polygamist or his kids. But when I do, will I see anything to change my opinion?
I doubt it. As a matter of fact, should I ever have children, your prolific Mormon and his 120 kids will be trying with all their might to displace my progeny from the resource pool, which comes very close to displacing them from the gene pool. Indeed, if they are at all like you – that is, if they are high-r breeders who imagine that the resource pool is theirs to squander as they like on their own unexceptional progeny – then they may even succeed in doing so. (And people wonder why the superintelligent often don’t bother to breed!)
You have, after all, admitted that “it takes huge quantities of resources to support” the kids of such people. Hasn’t it occurred to you that the offspring of the superintelligent may have better things to do with their lives than fight with the kids of less intelligent people over a rapidly dwindling pie? Obviously, there’s nothing the matter with a little generosity and a healthy dose of competition, but would you by any chance be huffing airplane glue?
That’s what people with your breeding preferences never seem to get: you can’t go too far in your efforts to displace people of other races from the local resource and gene pools without displacing superior members of your own race from the local resource and gene pools in the bargain, unless explicit measures are taken to stop this from happening.
By the way, I didn’t realize that you were implementing a “high IQ breeding strategy” of your very own. Typically, one would expect such a strategy to involve the close participation of known high-IQ people, preferably the most extreme specimens available.
Just for the sake of curiosity, would you mind explaining to us the exact nature of your strategy?
“As a matter of fact, should I ever have children, your prolific Mormon and his 120 kids will be trying with all their might to displace my progeny from the resource pool, which comes very close to displacing them from the gene pool.”
eurodele,
They’d be trying to do that no more than they’d be trying to displace the progeny of Non-FLDS Whites who are far inferior to you.
I agree that if a White Subpopulation has lower intelligence than the average White, and at the same time an extremely high fertility, this could create serious dysgenic pressures down the road.
As you have pointed out, the historically unusual level of per capita prosperity we currently enjoy will not last, and therefore intensified resource competition even within the White Race is inevitable.
As a result of this, a Tribe of Stupid Whites with tons of Children could use their numbers to push around members of Higher IQ White Groups, causing some White Groups with higher IQs to go extinct.
So let’s say a group of Whites with average IQs of 90 have 100,000 extra children, but it comes at the expense of a 100,000 average Whites having one child each never born because of brutal resource competition.
If the average White has an IQ of 100, that would be a very dysgenic thing, as it would lead to there being less high IQ people in the White Population.
The problem, though, is that you fail to consider the complete lack of evidence that FLDS members are below the White average in intelligence, and ignore the substantial evidence that the average FLDS child is higher IQ than the children of the average American White.
For example, from the school years from 1997-2000 children who attended the then FLDS dominated public school in Colorado City, Arizona, were given Stanford 9 Standardized Achievement Tests from Grade 2 through 11.
While at earlier ages, where IQ is far less heritable, they scored merely average or below, by the 11th Grade in the average year they were at the 57th Percentile of Reading, the 53rd Percentile of Language, and the 61st Percentile of Mathematics.
A critical thing to understand about these results is that neither the FLDS children nor their parents were in any way selected for traits differing from the FLDS average.
And making this result even more remarkable is that the overall Arizona 11th Grade Percentiles were 44th for Reading, 42nd for Language, and 52nd for Mathematics; which makes it clear that the FLDS Children scored even higher on the test to make up for the lower scores of the 20% of students at the school who were Non-FLDS.
So if at some point 100,000 Non-FLDS Whites have to have one child die each so that FLDS members can have 100,000 extra children, it would be highly eugenic and actually something to be applauded.
“Your link doesn’t work (from here) at the present time, Andrew, so I haven’t yet managed to view your “high-IQ” polygamist or his kids. But when I do, will I see anything to change my opinion? ”
I think so. There are tons of blonde, blue-eyed nordic kids! No one has a portruding forehead, buck teeth or is walleyed. Try this link:
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/inside/4292/Overview#tab-Overview/07797_00
Click on “Video” to see the video. Or just search the internet for “national geographic” and “bountiful”.
“I doubt it. As a matter of fact, should I ever have children, your prolific Mormon and his 120 kids will be trying with all their might to displace my progeny from the resource pool, which comes very close to displacing them from the gene pool.”
I would look at these Whites as allies for your own children. In a world that will be 95% non-White (5% of the world’s children are of European descent), all Europeans will have a pressing need to band together. You stated before that you didn’t see a need for the masses. But if tomorrow morning, you woke up, and there were 1 million 100-IQ whites camped en masse outside your house, ready to pledge their allegiance to you as their fearless leader, you would have tremendous power to change the US (you could take over 3 states with those votes, for example). If you found 100 super high-IQ individuals camped outside, wanting you to lead them, you wouldn’t be that much better off than now. And with no one camped outside, you are left with very little power to change the world at all, even if you are . The masses do help, and they are needed for the elites to get anything done.
“You have, after all, admitted that “it takes huge quantities of resources to support” the kids of such people. Hasn’t it occurred to you that the offspring of the superintelligent may have better things to do with their lives than fight with the kids of less intelligent people over a rapidly dwindling pie?”
I see it more as competition between groups. Whites, who do not even reproduce themselves, are a dwindling group. They are in competition with the Hispanics, Asians, Indians, Arabs, Africans, etc. who do reproduce themselves and then some, and want what Whitey has. Human survival is a team sport, after all. As a White, it benefits you to have other team members. It is very natural that as time goes on, Whites will be forced to coalesce and develop a solid ethnic identity, as the competition for resources becomes ever more fierce. What other choice will they have? In the future, any progeny you have will benefit tremendously from co-ethnics who will be there to support them. Please remember that as indicated in the latest TOO article, there are many groups quite hostile to Whites, who would celebrate the European gene pool being erased permanently from the earth (your genes included). I think that you should consider the hordes of hispanics, battalions of blacks and arsenal of asians as the competition, and the plethora of polygamists and brigade of breeders like me as your allies.
” would you by any chance be huffing airplane glue?”
No, but sometimes I smell my socks.
“By the way, I didn’t realize that you were implementing a “high IQ breeding strategy” of your very own. Typically, one would expect such a strategy to involve the close participation of known high-IQ people, preferably the most extreme specimens available.”
Im still about 18-24 months away from starting this. I know another individual at the Occidental Dissent blog who is interested in participation currently.
“Just for the sake of curiosity, would you mind explaining to us the exact nature of your strategy?”
I mentioned this in my previous post:
I do understand that most truly great and accomplished individuals throughout history have had very high IQs (this is an important quality, though such things as drive, ambition, vision, morality, character, good sense, etc. are also necessary to some extent). Actually, I have designed a plan that I seriously do intend to implement in the future. The idea is that I assemble a group of families together. Each family would help support one or more single ladies, or be married to them polygamously. Each of these ladies would bear several children through artificial insemination with very high quality “seed”. All of the children would be homeschooled, and raised to become the leaders of a movement to help lead the awakening of Whites. In 20-30 years time, there would be a large number of very intelligent, capable, well-trained individuals arriving on the scene exactly when they are needed the most (near when Whites are reaching minority status). I think that raising children now is the most effective thing that any White Nationalist can do. In fact, if Dr. Pierce had concentrated his efforts on this, he would have had a much greater impact on the movement.
Some additional details:
1) I envision eventually gathering about a dozen families together, with perhaps 10-30 women who would be bearing children. This would probably be the maximum of people that I would be able to manage (there will need to be constant coordination, contact and support to keep everything together).
2) Obviously, you want the mothers to have the best genetic quality. However, because high-IQ women are rare, it is probably more reasonable to expect to be able to attract women in the 110-IQ range. They would need to be young-ish (in their 20s preferably), decent, normal and healthy, without any significant inherited problems. There are a lot of single women out there that could be attracted to this kind of program (I know a couple of them already).
3) The adopting parents will need to be dependable, decent, moral people, who are committed to raising their adopted children. In any case where things didn’t work out, I would bring the moms into my household.
4) The high-IQ seed would ideally be from really smart people, especially those that are accomplished in leadership (assuming that this is an inherited trait). According to Reginald’s information, if a 110-IQ woman was impregnated with 180-IQ “seed”, the resulting children would have an average IQ of 145, which would be good leadership material (it is likely that there would be a wide spread of ability though). I have contacted an individual who worked with Robert Graham in his “Repository for Germinal Choice”, who still operates a “genius sperm bank” in California, although he only has 3 available donors (who are very accomplished individuals though). According to Slate magazine, Graham’s efforts resulted in something like 200 children. Only two are known about, one is a guy with an IQ of 180, the other is a girl with an IQ of 150. This is encouraging evidence that the project would be successful.
5) A big part of the success of the project is education. I am currently studying online to get my teaching credential (finishing in December), and plan to teach for a number of years to strengthen my skills in this area (I also get income from a side business I have). Having already done student teaching in public schools, I understand what a boondoggle they are, which is why homeschooling is necessary (the average homeschooler is in the 80th percentile in academic achievement). I envision a very traditional program, concentrating on Western Civilization rather than ebonics, including outdoors activities like hiking, hunting and adventure rather than not being permitted to run on the playground.
The project is going to be a challenging one, with a lot of work involved, but its going to be my legacy and life’s work. I cant imagine anything more worthwhile that I could spend my time on. And its going to be awesome!
I got through on that link, Andrew and Reginald. The Canadian Mormon children of whom you write seem to be attractive and at least not conspicuously stupid. I’m almost pleasantly surprised! But I’d have to see the results of a few genetic and psychometric tests to be sure that this particular breeding exercise has not been harmful to the long-term prospects of humanity in general.
After all, if (e.g.) half of these children were to end up in medical facilities because they suffer from some sort of genetic disease – and by the way, we can’t necessarily tell whether this is the case yet, or even hazard an educated guess based on mere superficial examination of their parents – then they might well constitute so heavy a drain on total resources that not even the political and military support provided by their healthier siblings could make up for it.
What each of you has written provides food for thought. However, some parts of it – in particular, the idea that gifted and empathic leaders, who may need more nurturance and a larger share of resources to fully realize their potential, can be expected to emerge from a situation in which resources are evenly divided by law among increasingly many (mostly unexceptional) children – in some ways contradicts my own experience, not to mention a considerable body of developmental and educational theory.
Trust me when I say that despite the attention sometimes lavished on gifted children and seeming public enthuiasm for “gifted education”, the reality of the situation is really quite abysmal. The more gifted a child – especially a White child, who is much less attractive to PC educators than one of the “minority” (non-White) children whose minds are such “terrible things to waste” – the more likely it is that he (or she) will be systematically alienated by other children and their parents through a combination of selfishness, resentment, meaningless competition, and sheer resource-starvation.
But these problems may be solvable, and you’ve definitely given me a lot to think about.
@Eurodele,
“I’d have to see the results of a few genetic and psychometric tests to be sure that this particular breeding exercise has not been harmful to the long-term prospects of humanity in general. ”
I agree that in-breeding is a concern. Obviously genetic variety is essential to the health of a population. If I had 20 wives, I would have most of them being impregnated by “genius seed”. The town of Bountiful, Canada, would then become a famous birthplace of Canada’s most accomplished.
“the idea that gifted and empathic leaders, who may need more nurturance and a larger share of resources to fully realize their potential, can be expected to emerge from a situation in which resources are evenly divided by law among increasingly many (mostly unexceptional) children – in some ways contradicts my own experience, not to mention a considerable body of developmental and educational theory.”
Gifted children – particularly the profoundly gifted – certainly need a lot of nurturance. This is a subject I have been doing quite a bit of reading on. I think a big part of successfully raising them related to just not screwing them up, not expecting them to be “normal” and not putting them in a school situation where they will be ridiculed outcasts. A lot of their education will probably be self-directed, with the child seeking out material of interest while being guided by the parent.
I believe that having peers is also important, which is why I want to work with other families. As someone from a fairly large family (7 kids), my best friends having also been mainly from big families, I can say that having a lot of kids can be a really great thing when growing up. I think this is a built-in factor as we have evolved living in large families (since the dawn of Whitey, just about every family was large until the 1950s). Benjamin Franklin’s family had 13 children, and its probable that the majority of the greatest men of the West had many siblings. This does require wise and loving parents though, fortunately mine were this way. If you watch the Duggar family (19 kids, they have a reality show on Discovery channel), I think you will get a sense that the (homeschooled) children are very happy and well-adjusted. In childhood, there is just no substitute for siblings that have cameraderie, you end up with best friends for life that are always there for you.
Anyway, it sounds like you may have some insights on education for the gifted. If you would like to send me a quick email at gm [at] lordsofconquest [dot] com, I would like to contact you once I have my program underway, and possibly get some advice.